Missed this pearler of yours earlier.

It deserves a response so here it is --------------->




[i"Rugby League used to be a winter sport until we moved it to summer. That transformed it from a game of muddy players on boggy pitches to the fast, spectacular, skilful game we see today"[/i - Richard Lewis in 2010.

[i"Sadly, the principal marketing strategy of Super League and summer rugby appears to have been... 'The game used to be crap, now it's great'[/i... Richard de la Riviere (Rugby League - A Critical History 1980-2013)

That’s the figure for all league games under the RFL umbrella. A total of 550 games over that season over 3 divisions. That would result in an average of 2545.

This is compared to 1.4m people going to watch 175 SL games.

It doesn’t surprise me that the spreadsheet attention whore is a one nation agenda pusher who thinks international RL starts and stops with his Ocker fantasies.

Smokey resorts to insults when he's losing the plot.

No surprises there

Source of your 1993 figures?

Comparing SL attendances with the past and incorporating attendances from all lower division fixtures at places like Nottingham, Blackpool Gladiators, Carlisle, Chorley Borough and Runcorn Highfield in order to arrive at an average attendance figure, and to then compare it unfavourably to current Super League attendances just about sums you up along with your desperate agenda

I do enjoy your hypocrisy.

The source is the LIRC.

The figure includes those attendances. Only a spreadsheet attention whore pushing their agenda would want us to pretend that it didn’t. All so they didn’t have to admit that the game now, is far better attended than it was.

If it bothers you so much, you could find the cumulative attendances for the Championship and Championship 1. That would give us a much better comparison wouldn’t it? The entire league attendances for all leagues?

I do enjoy your continuous failed agenda rantings.



Pssst! Your hero Richard Lewis has thankfully buggered off and walked away from the licensed, sponsor-less heap that he's landed the sport in... that's his failed legacy, so you are now free to just let it all go as well if you like?



[i"The modern game's attitude towards it's history has been quite regrettable in the Super League era and this is something that has perhaps impacted upon it's commercial performance and media exposure. Super League barely recognises the greats of yesteryear, whereas the NRL actively markets it's game, especially State of Origin, around it's past... Sadly, the principal marketing strategy of Super League and summer rugby appears to have been... 'The game used to be crap, now it's great'[/i... Richard de la Riviere (Rugby League - A Critical History 1980-2013).

EVIDENCE?

[i"Rugby League used to be a winter sport until we moved it to summer. That transformed it from a game of muddy players on boggy pitches to the fast, spectacular, skilful game we see today"[/i - Richard Lewis in 2010.

Evidence so p1sspoor you had to repeat it twice. great work

What's that?


You just can't help yourself, can you?




Internationals? Challenge Cup? How do attendances compare in those from around 20 years ago when "next to nobody attended" according to you? And what about all the other cup competitions? Lancs/Yorks Cup? Regal? Premiership Trophy? What were those attendances like? Are they included in your attendance figures?


I prefer to establish as close as is possible a like-for-like comparison with regard to attendance figures. Clearly, you prefer to fudge the figures by comparing all attendances in all divisions during the alleged murky, boggy, muddy, pot-bellied, pit-villaged, black & white, cobbled street past with just the super modern Super League attendances in order to suit your failed ideological agenda.

No surprises there.

The LIRC is a joint research of Sheffield Hallam University and the University of Sheffield

I can quite easily. But as I told you, I enjoy your hypocrisy.

Are internationals, Challenge cup games, Lancs cup, Yorks Cup, or the Regal trophy league games?

There is no more like for like comparison for the league than x amount of people went and watched a game in 1993, and x amount of people went and watched a game in 2013. It isn’t me who is trying to throw in more variables in the vain hope they would help my agenda. Its you.

I didn’t include competitions which don’t exist, or tours which aren’t scheduled this year. Do you want a like for like comparison? We can compare the amount of people who attended an international game in 1993 and the amount who will attend this year if you want?

More people attended the last CC final than the one in 1993, and im sure more will attend this years aswell.

I know it hurts and upsets you, but it really isn’t my fault that more people attend RL now than did 20 years ago. I know how you wish it weren’t true, and how you have built this persona around how right you believed you were, and I know you are going to have to go to all that effort of thinking up another hilarious play on words as your name, but all that hurt and frustration deep inside doesn’t alter the facts.

Worlds most boring thread 2013

Where's the Grim Reaper this week then? Crowds didn't go up did they?

He might be on the BRADFORD, LONDON or WAKEFIELD boards waiting to collect



Bradford down or about 3,000, St Helens were down 1,000 whilst Wigan were 5,300 down = 9,300
Widnes were up about 400, Castleford up 1,000, Hudds up 2,200, Leeds up 2,400 =6,000

Last REGULAR home game of the season for Widnes, Castleford, Leeds and Huddersfield which would explain the rises, whilst Bradford aren't celebrating a new owner and the fans of St Helens, Wire, Hull and Wigan may be saving up for Play-off expenditure which isn't covered in their ST's.

Next week
Wigan Leeds = both cemented in the top 4 already. Winner goes to Wire, loser goes to Hudds.(15,370)
Hull St's = winner hosts HKR, loser hosts/visits Catalan (11,727)
Salford Widnes = dead rubber (5,196)
Catalan Wire = Catalan playing for home advantage (11,500)
Bradford Hudds = dead rubber/local derby(11,182)
KR London = KR Cemented in 8th...nothing to play for. (6,713)
Wakey Castleford dead rubber/local derby (7,050)

I'm afraid they didn't go up overall, despite it being "last home game of the season" for several clubs which are traditionally among the better attended fixtures throughout a season. Not even last home game bumper attendances at Leeds V Catalan (17% up on Leeds V Catalan last year), Hudds V Wakey (33% up on Hudds V Wakey last year), Cas V Salford (40% up on Cas V Salford last year) or Widnes V Hull KR (7% up on Widnes V Hull KR last year) could prevent Round 26 from being over 3% down on last year. Round 26 should have bucked the trend but alas... it failed miserably.

I shall post the full stats for Round 26 in due course. However, please allow me to express my gratitude for your continued interest and loyal support for this wonderful and informative thread. Nowhere else have SL attendances in 2013 been discussed with such enthusiasm, purpose and veracity. In fact, nowhere else have SL attendances in 2013 been discussed at all

[uSL Round 26 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u

Leeds V Catalan in 2013 = 15,576
Leeds V Catalan in 2012 = 13,282
% increase = +17.27%

St Helens V Warrington in 2013 = 14,715
St Helens V Warrington in 2012 = 15,728
% decrease = -6.44%

Wigan V Hull in 2013 = 12,417
Wigan V Hull in 2012 = 17,736
% decrease = -29.99%

Bradford V London in 2013 = 7,148
Bradford V London in 2012 = 10,132
% decrease = -29.45%

Castleford V Salford in 2013 = 6,817
Castleford V Salford in 2012 = 4,877
% increase = +39.78%

Huddersfield V Wakefield in 2013 = 8,757
Huddersfield V Wakefield in 2012 = 6,579
% increase = +33.11%

Widnes V Hull KR in 2013 = 5,713
Widnes V Hull KR in 2012 = 5,325
% increase = +7.29%

Total Attendance in SL Round 26 = 71,413 (Avg: 10,163)
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 73,659 (Avg: 10,523)
% decrease = -3.42%

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4 out of 7 fixtures in Round 25 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year. 3 out of 7 fixtures in Round 24 have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.

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Out of 175 fixtures played thus far in 2013 (not including magic weekend fixtures), 48 out of 175 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year. 127 out of 175 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.

[uRound 1 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 64,387 (Avg: 9,19icon_cool.gif
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 63,376 (Avg: 9,054)
% increase = +1.59%

[uRound 2 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 69,809 (Avg: 9,973)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,989 (Avg: 10,284)
% decrease = -3.03%

[uRound 3 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,711 (Avg: 8,387)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,246 (Avg: 10,17icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -17.59%

[uRound 4 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,948 (Avg: 8,421)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 68,803 (Avg: 9,829)
% decrease = -14.32%

[uRound 5 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 50,207 (Avg: 7,172)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 57,593 (Avg: 8,22icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -12.82%

[uRound 6 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 67,079 (Avg: 9,583)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,439 (Avg: 10,206)
% decrease = -6.10%

[uRound 7 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 57,048 (Avg: 8,150)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 69,941 (Avg: 9,992)
% decrease = -18.43%

[uRound 8 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 52,247 (Avg: 7,464)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 69,575 (Avg: 9,939)
% decrease = -24.91%

[uRound 9 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 80,429 (Avg: 11,490)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 81,841 (Avg: 11,692)
% decrease = -1.73%

[uRound 10 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 57,882 (Avg: 8,269)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,601 (Avg: 10,229)
% decrease = -19.16%

[uRound 11 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 55,117 (Avg: 7,874)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 62,013 (Avg: 8,859)
% decrease = -11.12%

[uRound 12 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 53,477 (Avg: 7,640)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 63,337 (Avg: 9,04icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -15.57%

[uRound 13 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 49,525 (Avg: 7,075)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 59,648 (Avg: 8,521)
% decrease = -16.97%

[uRound 14 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 68,617 (Avg: 9,802)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 80,737 (Avg: 11,534)
% decrease = -15.01%

[uRound 15 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 53,274 (Avg: 7,611)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 57,921 (Avg: 8,274)
% decrease = -8.02%

[uRound 16 MAGIC WEEKEND Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 62,042 (Avg: 8,863)
Total attendance at same event in 2012 = 63,716 (Avg: 9,102)
% decrease = -2.63%

[uRound 17 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 48,752 (Avg: 6,965)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 54,966 (Avg: 7,852)
% decrease = -11.31%

[uRound 18 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 55,384 (Avg: 7,912)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 56,180 (Avg: 8,026)
% decrease = -1.42%

[uRound 19 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 62,239 (Avg: 8,891)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 60,958 (Avg: 8,70icon_cool.gif
% increase = +2.10%

[uRound 20 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 55,617 (Avg: 7,945)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 62,218 (Avg: 8,88icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -10.61%

[uRound 21 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 64,512 (Avg: 9,216)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,206 (Avg: 10,172)
% decrease = -9.40%

[uRound 22 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 63,146 (Avg: 9,021)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,188 (Avg: 10,170)
% decrease = -11.30%

[uRound 23 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 53,062 (Avg: 7,580)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 59,266 (Avg: 8,467)
% decrease = -10.47%

[uRound 24 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 63,910 (Avg: 9,130)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,807 (Avg: 10,25icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -11.00%

[uRound 25 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 62,039 (Avg: 8,863)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 69,919 (Avg: 9,98icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -11.27%

[uRound 26 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 71,143 (Avg: 10,163)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 73,659 (Avg: 10,523)
% decrease = -3.42%

[uRounds 1 to 26 Fixtures (182 in total)[/u
Total attendance for 175 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures in 2013 = 1,558,603 (Avg: 8,564)
Total attendance for same 175 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures in 2012 = 1,736,143 (Avg: 9,539)
Cumulative attendance loss = 177,540
% decrease = -10.23%

No,no, no, that means their even going to win this league, all my hopes & dreams down the pan

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Oh well, at least they've something to show for their efforts this year

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[uClub... Games... 2013... 2012... %gain/loss[/u
Leeds... 13... 197556... 194320... +1.67%
Wakefield... 12... 97231... 96451... +0.81%
Widnes... 13... 78191... 77700... +0.63%
Hull... 12... 140593... 142784... -1.53%
Castleford... 13... 81979... 86225... -4.92%
Hull KR... 12... 89681... 94499... -5.10%
Warrington... 13... 138232... 148873... -7.15%
Catalan... 12... 100129... 110483... -9.37%
Wigan... 12... 174102... 193185... -9.88%
Huddersfield... 13... 82790... 100223... -17.40%
St Helens... 13... 147483... 183132... -19.46%
London... 13... 28775... 36503... -21.17%
Bradford... 12... 102972... 141706... -27.33%
Salford... 12... 36847... 66343... -44.46%

SUBTOTAL... 175... 1496561... 1672427... -10.52%

Magic Weekend... 7... 62042... 63716... -2.63%

TOTAL... 182... 1558603... 1736143... -10.23%

[uCurrent Average Attendances V Same Fixtures Last Year[/u
[uClub... SL:2013... (SL:2012)[/u
Leeds... 15197... (1494icon_cool.gif
Wigan... 14508... (16099)
Hull... 11716... (11899)
St Helens... 11345... (14087)
Warrington... 10633... (11452)
Bradford... 8581... (11809)
Catalan... 8344... (9207)
Wakefield... 8103... (803icon_cool.gif
Hull KR... 7473... (7875)
Huddersfield... 6368... (7709)
Castleford... 6306... (6633)
Widnes... 6015... (5977)
Salford... 3071... (5529)
London... 2213... (280icon_cool.gif

During the current franchised, 14 club, top 8 play-off system SL era... the total attendances in SL to date remain the lowest we have ever witnessed. Neither the replacement of the poorly-supported Crusaders with the better-supported Widnes, nor the establishment of 2 new stadia, nor the re-establishment of heavily-discounted SL tickets via cheap Groupon/BOGOF/Buddy offers, nor the latest begging-bowl grab free shirts and discounts on season tickets next year if you pay a tenner to watch Bradford V London then we might pay the players on time and avoid the next winding-up order, nor the best whoop-de-doo sizzling summer we've had since 2006 has prevented 2013 SL attendances from being the worst on record so far.

[uSL Rounds 1 to 25 total attendances comparison (2009 to 2013)[/u
=#FF0000SL 2013 - 1,558,603 from 175 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures.
SL 2012 - 1,736,143 from same 175 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures.
SL 2011 - 1,620,744 from same 175 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures =#FF0000**
SL 2010 - 1,578,080 from same 175 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures =#FF0000**
SL 2009 - 1,589,037 from same 175 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures =#FF0000**

[uSL 2013 % decrease in attendances[/u
V SL 2012 = -10.23%
V SL 2011 = -3.83%
V SL 2010 = -1.23%
V SL 2009 = -1.92%

[uSL attendances losses[/u
V SL 2012 = -177,540
V SL 2011 = -62,141
V SL 2010 = -19,477
V SL 2009 = -30,434

=#FF0000** except replace Widnes with Crusaders

This is what is required from the Wakefield V Castleford attendance this weekend which will ensure that Wakefield's home attendances in 2013 are a table-topping 1.68% up on last season.

Wakefield V Castleford in 2013 = 10,786
Wakefield V Castleford in 2012 = 9,786
% increase = +10.22%

I dont like These figures therefore they are simply made up (copywrite William eve)

Well at least your attendance competition is going down to the wire, unlike the real thing

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However, I don’t think a dead rubber, albeit a derby game, will attract the numbers needed to propel Wakefield to the top.

Well done to Leeds though, I wonder if they will get an increase next season if they fail to win the G.F?

I'd expect Leeds home attendances to drop significantly next season if they fail to win the Grand Final. The bandwagoners will jump off faster than they climbed aboard. Leeds can thank Wakey fans for turning up to Headingley in huge numbers in Round 22 for an attendance of 18,387 which was a whopping 49.83% up on the 12,272 attendance for the same fixture in 2012.

The less said about the 9,044 attendance for the play-off fixture last season the better!