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| Quote Poky="Poky"Its too late now. The game will be semi pro in 5 years.
You only need to look at the cost cutting going on at St Helens and Wigan as evidence of that. Both clubs are preparing for it'"
Do you think that the cost cutting is more to do with having their income slashed over the last 18 months ??
For clubs who would usually attract 15,000 fans to their games, who would buy, merchandise, foo / drink, lottery tickets etc, etc, to then have 4000 fans rolling up and not to be able to sell drinks and restricted opportunities to sell merchandise.
It's not difficult to see why they and every other club, are having to cut costs.
IF we can get back to meaningful crowds etc, things will begin to turn, in the short term.
However, the games failings go back to long before covid, it's just that there are now laid bare for all to see.
The mis season "test" was just one example of the mickey mouse administration that runs our sport.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"The big point in his article is "fixing" the current situation in a 2 year time frame (before the next TV deal).
The game is on it's booty and he's certainly right about the "International" debacle on Friday.
RL is run so very, very badly and it certainly needs to get a grip of itself.
To "save" the sport, I would go for a return to "franchising", which should at least protect super league.
However, the rest of the sport is in serious peril, right down to community clubs and RL in schools - worrying times.'"
The just protect Super League attitude is not good enough without the championship and community clubs and academies the whole sport will decline through lack of participation. We need a whole game plan. Not a just looking after the SL clubs.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Do you think that the cost cutting is more to do with having their income slashed over the last 18 months ??
For clubs who would usually attract 15,000 fans to their games, who would buy, merchandise, foo / drink, lottery tickets etc, etc, to then have 4000 fans rolling up and not to be able to sell drinks and restricted opportunities to sell merchandise.
It's not difficult to see why they and every other club, are having to cut costs.
IF we can get back to meaningful crowds etc, things will begin to turn, in the short term.
However, the games failings go back to long before covid, it's just that there are now laid bare for all to see.
The mis season "test" was just one example of the mickey mouse administration that runs our sport.'"
You are correct that clubs have lost a lot of additional spending with games behind closed doors, a lot of merchandise sales are stuff like scarves that people only buy to wear at games in cold weather, then vests in summer etc. You can only do so much marketing to sell these online.
And yes Covid has just exposed long running problems in the game, its been mismanaged for at least a decade. We've gone from giving away the title sponsorship for free, to constantly changing the format, to hyping Toronto up then cutting them off...loyal fans of the game are fed up.
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| “One idea from Richardson is to have a 10-team competition based on the needs of television, which he feels should include Newcastle and Wales and two overseas teams, mostly likely from France.”
So who would be the other six teams? Probably Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Hull, London + 1 other.
In my opinion that’s an absolute nailed on certainty for the complete extinction of British rugby league within ten years. We should be working on a strategy to protect and grow the clubs we already have. We talk about the RL heartland but we neglect it and it’s withering. I don’t now what the strategy should be but I do know that the biggest tree needs strong roots and a clear pathway from those roots to the very top! (Whoops, I seem to have gone all Eric Cantona)
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| Quote Leyther14="Leyther14"The just protect Super League attitude is not good enough without the championship and community clubs and academies the whole sport will decline through lack of participation. We need a whole game plan. Not a just looking after the SL clubs.'"
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my previous post.
Of course, we need a plan for all of the game from bottom to top, from kids right up to SL and the International game, something that has been lacking since Adam was a young boy.
However, in the context of the article, in which Richardson suggests that we need a sort out before the next SL TV deal, it's time for the clubs and broadcasters to decide, exactly what everyone wants to progress the sport.
The damage that the Toronto episode has done is huge and once again shown the sport in a bad light.
I know that there were huge unforeseen and unavoidable issues with covid but, Toronto were already a busted flush and for them not to complete the season was poor form.
Equally, the promotion of Leigh, to make the numbers up, was less than ideal and with them following Toronto's SL form, without a victory in the top flight, it's probably time to pull up the drawbridge and try and ensure that SL is the strongest that it can be. After all, this is the flagship competition for pro RL in the UK (and Europe).
Yes, there needs to be work done on the lower leagues too, who are equally affected with covid issues, although, for the most part, supporter numbers are not affected and they can still largely achieve the same crowds as 18 months ago.
The one certainty is that even within the RL world, we look like a half baked badly organised sport and for those outside the sport, this must be multiplied by 10, not great when we are so short of investment.
Who in their right minds would want to be associated with such a shambolic organisation ?
Somebody needs to get a grip and fast !
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| Quote Kevs Head="Kevs Head"“One idea from Richardson is to have a 10-team competition based on the needs of television, which he feels should include Newcastle and Wales and two overseas teams, mostly likely from France.”
So who would be the other six teams?[u Probably Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Hull, London + 1 other.[/u
In my opinion that’s an absolute nailed on certainty for the complete extinction of British rugby league within ten years. We should be working on a strategy to protect and grow the clubs we already have. We talk about the RL heartland but we neglect it and it’s withering. I don’t now what the strategy should be but I do know that the biggest tree needs strong roots and a clear pathway from those roots to the very top! (Whoops, I seem to have gone all Eric Cantona)'"
Not sure but I presume that Davey, Carter, Fulton, Quash, Beaumont, Hudgill, and him at Salford might have other ideas, Lenaghan and Pearson might make the biggest noise, but I can't see the other chairmen agreeing to what you rightly describe as an absolute certainty of the complete and utter extinction of of the game in this country.
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| Quote Kevs Head="Kevs Head"“One idea from Richardson is to have a 10-team competition based on the needs of television, which he feels should include Newcastle and Wales and two overseas teams, mostly likely from France.”
So who would be the other six teams? Probably Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Hull, London + 1 other.
In my opinion that’s an absolute nailed on certainty for the complete extinction of British rugby league within ten years. We should be working on a strategy to protect and grow the clubs we already have. We talk about the RL heartland but we neglect it and it’s withering. I don’t now what the strategy should be but I do know that the biggest tree needs strong roots and a clear pathway from those roots to the very top! (Whoops, I seem to have gone all Eric Cantona)'"
That's too extreme, but the point is a valid one.
'Fixing' RL is easiest than it seems, you just need a competent RFL and decisions able to be made about SL and it's future without the clubs having an influence. As McManus said about the Toronto decision, this isn't a decision SL clubs should be making, it's one where the overall direction and governance of the sport needs to come first, before the immediate needs of the current clubs.
1 - Remove the existing RFL management
2 - Remove the power of the SL clubs in decision making within SL, this has to happen
3 - Have RL played at schools across the country. Schools are crying out for community involvement and help. Get into the schools and get them playing. It doesn't have to be crazy expensive either, have a few employed development officers and involve univerisities and colleges who will have tons of students looking to get into sports organisation, coaching and marketing etc. You provide schools with kit, equipment and a competition to play in and a bit of attention and they'll lap it up. In the traditional areas the community clubs can be invited in once a term etc, run sessions and maximise their own intake of players.
4 - Have involvement from the RFL and SL at all the community clubs. Some do this really well, others need to improve. It doesn't need to cost much.
5 - Disband SL academies and bring back town teams, with those outside joining their nearest setup, plus regional setups in areas the game hasn't got pro clubs in. Free up the cash spent on SL clubs signing players from all over the country and invest it in employing a coach part time to properly coach a town team. Pro clubs then get them at 17 and community clubs get tons more coming through rather than just a handful as it is now.
6 - Have a 2 tier SL. We've been crying out for this since franchising began. Some clubs did fine, complied with the regulations and had grounds, teams and infrastructures suitable. The Yorkshire clubs bar Hull and Leeds didn't and still don't. There is no shame in it. Actively invite applications from investors for clubs willing to invest in the game. Sell the game to the NRL or he likes of Hearn if needed, just get some money on board from somewhere. There really isn't a downside to it, as whoever buys in will want a return and to grow it, not let it wither. Get big city teams and money involved and the TV deal will flourish. And don't obsess if they fail, just ensure there's another to replace them. Some will be successful.
The sport has been in a malaise for years now, just happy to exist and not doing anything to grow or thrive. Number 1 and 2 on the list are vital, if we don't do that they might as well fold SL and go back to semi pro now while the clubs still exist.
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| Tinkering with the clubs at the top of the game won't make any difference and if it's not careful Richardson's plan could alienate large swathes of supporters for no gain at all.
The game needs to address a lack of participation from the grass roots upwards. Without that there is no game. The numbers of players and supporters is dwindling massively and there seems to be no plan to do anything about it.
That would help address the issue of dwindling corporate interest as no company is going to want to sponsor a sport played by a tiny minority of people.
It's all very well posters on here listing who they'd get rid of or keep but the fundamental issue affects us all - there are too few people playing and watching RL.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Tinkering with the clubs at the top of the game won't make any difference and if it's not careful Richardson's plan could alienate large swathes of supporters for no gain at all.
The game needs to address a lack of participation from the grass roots upwards. Without that there is no game. The numbers of players and supporters is dwindling massively and there seems to be no plan to do anything about it.
That would help address the issue of dwindling corporate interest as no company is going to want to sponsor a sport played by a tiny minority of people.
It's all very well posters on here listing who they'd get rid of or keep but the fundamental issue affects us all - there are too few people playing and watching RL.'"
I would suggest that both, in fact all aspects of the game are important.
Without numbers at the bottom (kids and the community game), there will be no semi pro or pro sport.
It does appear though, that, with less money coming in at the top, there does need to be some "streamlining" of SL and The Championship.
Equally, probably more work needs doing to re-engage kids with RL.
There certainly seems to be a reluctance from all schools to participate in contact sports and whilst some kids will still go along to their local club, lack of RL in schools would be a massive blow for the sport, absolutely massive.
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| When will the sport realise that the quick fix changes wont work. You can't parachute a club into an area playing a sport no one has interest in and expect it to thrive instantly. The same as you can't say club A has attendance of 5k and club B has attendance of 5k lets merge and we'll instantly get an attendance of 10k, you wont, you'll get a fan base with no buy in to the club at hand. Have we learned nothing from Gateshead, Sheffield, Paris and Toronto.
If a sport as big as NFL and the NBA can't get a decent league set up in this country then RL has no chance.
This sport needs to realise that its a minority sport, RU has womn the war and we need to size and shape ourselves around that principle, alienating half the current support base will do nothing but bring on the demise quicker. ,
Lets focus on what we're good at, strong local rivalries, forge better links with the NRL and market the product we have, stop dreaming of matching international RU and build from grass roots, organically grow in areas we want to expand in but dont burn the upper echelons to do it.
RL is the king of the bad idea and throwing out babies with bathwater
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| Quote barham red="barham red"When will the sport realise that the quick fix changes wont work. You can't parachute a club into an area playing a sport no one has interest in and expect it to thrive instantly. The same as you can't say club A has attendance of 5k and club B has attendance of 5k lets merge and we'll instantly get an attendance of 10k, you wont, you'll get a fan base with no buy in to the club at hand. Have we learned nothing from Gateshead, Sheffield, Paris and Toronto.
If a sport as big as NFL and the NBA can't get a decent league set up in this country then RL has no chance.
This sport needs to realise that its a minority sport, RU has womn the war and we need to size and shape ourselves around that principle, alienating half the current support base will do nothing but bring on the demise quicker. ,
Lets focus on what we're good at, strong local rivalries, forge better links with the NRL and market the product we have, stop dreaming of matching international RU and build from grass roots, organically grow in areas we want to expand in but dont burn the upper echelons to do it.
RL is the king of the bad idea and throwing out babies with bathwater'"

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| Quote barham red="barham red"When will the sport realise that the quick fix changes wont work. You can't parachute a club into an area playing a sport no one has interest in and expect it to thrive instantly. The same as you can't say club A has attendance of 5k and club B has attendance of 5k lets merge and we'll instantly get an attendance of 10k, you wont, you'll get a fan base with no buy in to the club at hand. Have we learned nothing from Gateshead, Sheffield, Paris and Toronto.
If a sport as big as NFL and the NBA can't get a decent league set up in this country then RL has no chance.
This sport needs to realise that its a minority sport, RU has womn the war and we need to size and shape ourselves around that principle, alienating half the current support base will do nothing but bring on the demise quicker. ,
Lets focus on what we're good at, strong local rivalries, forge better links with the NRL and market the product we have, stop dreaming of matching international RU and build from grass roots, organically grow in areas we want to expand in but dont burn the upper echelons to do it.
RL is the king of the bad idea and throwing out babies with bathwater'"
Spot on. We seem far too obsessed with trying to compete with the NRL and RU we just make bad decision after bad decision because they knee jerk too often. Covid aside there has being far too many structure changes and not alot of
f time for growth.
Get a structure, back it and concerntrate on building from the bottom up. We will never beat football or rugby union in terms of popularity but we can certainley do alot better then we certainley are doing.
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