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| Quote ="Bullnorthern"And beat them without Sammut... But with 4 loan signings in the starting 13 -- Gilmour Riley Owen and Smith.'"
There are loan signings then there are LOAN signings.
In Smith case he's a LOAN signing in that he has rejoined a club he never wanted to leave and the only one he's ever been really happy at from a club he just didn't fit into - a LOAN in name only.
I very much see Owen as a Wakey lad who started well at Cas then lost his way - these are players Wakefield have a real reputation for resurrecting the careers of these types of players.
Gilmour a gap filler.
Riley, I'd like to keep him tbh.
So they may be loans but they are proving their value which is all you can ask for.
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| Quote ="Northernrelic"You could argue about at what stage the heads dropped after all the drama of the last two (or more) years, but for me when Moore & Co announced "we are f*****d and we are out of here" then in short order three key players left the fight and any consistency seemed to go out of the side'"
That was when I first felt it was [ireally[/i unlikely we were going to hang on - though losing half our competition money the year before didn't help either. It just seems to have been one thing on top of another over the last couple of years with every little 'snip' biting away at our self confidence - and that's just the fans, so I can only imagine how it's been for those who depend on the club for a living.
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| So does anybody know what our resident shrink makes of it all, if indeed we still have one? Or is that just another mystery doomed to disappear forever without trace in the Odsal fog with the rest?
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| Short answer is no. I think his appointment was a bit like those 'sprint coaches' who turn up at the the start of the season but then disappear with a bit less fanfare than they got when they arrived.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Short answer is no. I think his appointment was a bit like those 'sprint coaches' who turn up at the the start of the season but then disappear with a bit less fanfare than they got when they arrived.'"
To be fair you would not expect a "sprint coach" to hang around
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| Quote ="Northernrelic"To be fair you would not expect a "sprint coach" to hang around
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Ha, indeed!!
With regard to the psychologist, I wondered if he was maybe a fan who had offered his services. Maybe trying to build his practice?
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Ha, indeed!!
With regard to the psychologist, I wondered if he was maybe a fan who had offered his services. Maybe trying to build his practice?'"
He was/is indeed [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10757182.Mind_guru_aims_to_help_Bradford_Bulls_on_and_off_the_pitch/a Bulls fan[/url, and as he's from Dewsbury that rings true, and according to one [url=http://www.maudsleylearning.com/events/speakers/allan-johnson/profile[/url he still works for us.
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| Well, he was stood in the dugout on Friday night. So I would think he still works for us.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Well, he was stood in the dugout on Friday night. So I would think he still works for us.'"
Things could be worse, then.
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| Quote ="vastman"There are loan signings then there are LOAN signings.
In Smith case he's a LOAN signing in that he has rejoined a club he never wanted to leave and the only one he's ever been really happy at from a club he just didn't fit into - a LOAN in name only.
I very much see Owen as a Wakey lad who started well at Cas then lost his way - these are players Wakefield have a real reputation for resurrecting the careers of these types of players.
Gilmour a gap filler.
Riley, I'd like to keep him tbh.
So they may be loans but they are proving their value which is all you can ask for.'"
Fair comment-- the underlying issue I was alluding to was the contrast between the success of your loan policy and decisions and the Bulls. The only real successes at Odsal were the 2 props from the Giants who lasted a month - one recalled the other did not want to stay.
We lost 3 key players at the start of the season, 2 of whom are now out on loan to other clubs. We have 2 Leeds youngsters ,one of whom has still not seen first team action. We had Bridge ( now with Fev) and Sutcliffe recalled by Leeds.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Things could be worse, then.'"
What, you mean he could have been playing for us!
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| Phew, I was a bit anxious before the game that we might not be able to donate our regulation half century to the opposition, what with a new coach an all. I'd sort of miss the feelings of embarrassment and humiliation.
I needn't have worried, though. We came out with no intention of putting in a shift, and as normal were beaten after 15 minutes. It was only when Wire decided to ease off that the blood stopped flowing.
We let them do what they liked. They were obviously told to come out second half and step it up for a few tries to make the game safe, and then relax, which is what they did.
Effort? Yes, a poor effort. No change there then. Fifty points a week. They should all offer to resign.
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| We've gone from a rugby league club to a Tesco Clubcard. No-one gifts more points than us at the mo.
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| Normally after a match there are quiet a few comments on the board about the game. But today apart from a few skirmishes in the long running war with Wakey hardly a whisper today.
Now this might be lack of effort from members of RAB - but more likely continued capitulations on the field and lack of any squad news or developments other than in some court or other are finally testing the patience of even the hard core fans?
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| You could say it's the same , different week.
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| So we're currently 9 points behind Salford, by my reckoning that will officially relegate us by the home game v Hull FC mid-August.
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| Quote ="Northernrelic"Normally after a match there are quiet a few comments on the board about the game. But today apart from a few skirmishes in the long running war with Wakey hardly a whisper today.
Now this might be lack of effort from members of RAB - but more likely continued capitulations on the field and lack of any squad news or developments other than in some court or other are finally testing the patience of even the hard core fans?'"
Pretty much, though maybe 'resignation' would be more accurate, at least in my case. As well as a few more words like "royally fscked off".
Basically I think it's hard to be bothered when the players are so clearly not. Biggest bunch of shirkers in my time watching the club. They probably even have convinced themselves into believing their own excuses - when they can be bothered to make them.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
A collective two fingers up at Lowes, too.'"
Agreed - do you know if Jimmy has invited any of the players into the car park yet? - that could draw a bigger crowd than the games!
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| Jimmy won't have had much time on the training field yet, so our improvement with the ball in hand will have to be attributed directly to BK returning. Which is a good thing.
And thats about it.
PTB was slow, partly due to Warrington being much cleverer than us in slowing the PTB down. Line speed was poor which is down to effort (lack of). Which contributed to:
Warrington having time & space in the middle of the park to do whatever they felt like.
I will say that when Donno came on after about 20minutes (or the game being gone), we did tighten up in the centre. But that was 20minutes too late. Addy had a bit of a 'mare.
Strangely, I did feel better about that defeat, rather than the Salford one. I think there will be an improvement, given some time.
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| I actually went to Warrington with my family and although initially we thought there would be a 60 plus points against after the first ten minutes we did not at any time think the players were not trying. Had that been the case we would not have scored tries late on. Having discussed this point with other ardent followers we came to the conclusion that the players did not have the confidence to open up the play early in the game but once they relaxed we were much better. We actually 'bombed' three good tries so all in all we were more satisfied after yesterday's game than most of the previous matches.
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| Quote ="redeverready"The biggest blunder Cummins & co made were telling the players too many times which games we were targeting for wins. IMO all this did was put in the lads head was that the coach had no confiedence in them so why bother. So once the rut had set in when games we stood a chance of winning came up we were still in why bother mode.'"
Agreed. We had this under the dismal Mr Agar and it is a counter productive stratergy. 17 fit blokes with decent ability and good attitude can beat any team - we've done it to two of the "top" teams in the last month.
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| The effort was definitely on show today.
But we still need to work on composure.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"The effort was definitely on show today.
But we still need to work on composure.'"
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Agreed. If this keeps up we may win another game before the end of the season.'"
Yes but only if we can manage to concede considerably
less than our current match average of circa 40 points.
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