Hohaia played well at hooker as replacement for Roby one of the positives aspects we can take out of today's match so no worries there if roby is out for a few weeks .What really miffed me why no drop goal on the last play no "LEADERSHIP " and we had the position to do it

It's crazy reading how easily you write off your own team sometimes. St Helens is a huge club and even in a transitional period have managed to keep pace at the top of the league for the last few seasons. It's not the team of Long,Sculthorpe,Cunningham,Martyn and co but it's still packed with quality and you'll be there or thereabouts again this season.

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Quote: BackrowSaint "The medical team are hopeful that Roby has a slight tear in his quad, just above the knee and nothing more serious. If that's the case it could be a couple weeks rest, best case scenario.'" www.superleaguefans.com/st-helen ... m=facebook

When does the transition start/end. It is coming on 4 years since we won a trophy and 6 years since we won the SL title.

Long left 3 years ago, Cunningham 2 years ago, Martyn 7/8 years ago, Scully 5 years.

It has been a slow decline rather than a complete collapse, but we are a long way from a side that is likely to compete for trophies consistently.

We've been 1 win away from winning the title for the last 5 years?

How many cup semi finals and grand finals do you need to feature in before you can be classed as a side that is competing for trophies?