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| Quote: lionarmour87 "but If Christianity is the way of the true god,then why did they feel the need to to take on all th Pagen feasts like Yuletide and Easter etc?'"
Because, unfortunately, there is a difference between organised religion and the faith it grew from. |
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“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22
"It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21
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| Quote: kirkstaller "I view this the same was as Jesus' other miracles. This was Christ demonstrating his divinity and fulfilling the OT prophecies.'"
If the Big J predicted & was responsible for the 4 GF victories at Old Trafford in 5 years then I take it all back. I wonder what odds he would have got for games 2,000 years in the future? |
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| 26 pages! That's a fair old fishing trip Kirkstaller. 
On one hand, we have Kirkstaller stating his beliefs, and as evidence for those beliefs providing reference points to quotations from the Bible, and to ancient scripts which may, or may not accurately reflect life thousands of years ago.Whoever had written them would surely have put a spin on the the historical realities of the age to show their political masters in the best possible light? Factor in the nuances which have been lost in various translations, and a sensible person would take it all with a large pinch of salt.
And on the other, we have the nay sayers, seemingly armed only with insults and the self same belief that their views are the correct ones.
The irony is, that neither side can provide definitive proof as to the existence or not of GOD. |
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| Quote: BillyRhino "26 pages! That's a fair old fishing trip Kirkstaller. 
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| Quote: Fat Boy "Surely the burden of proof is on those who wish to prove existence and not those who believe otherwise.
If not you’re back to the “because I say it is so” argument where NOTHING can be either proved or disproved.
God falls in the same category as unicorns, the Easter Bunny, leprechauns or the Loch Ness Monster - until someone can categorically prove their existence then they don’t exist.'"
No. I think it is reasonable for both sides to provide some evidence in support of their respective beliefs. Facts are always open to interpretation, but failure to do so simply highlights the paucity of their arguments.The schoolboy response of "Please Miss, he started it!" never worked as an excuse in the playground, and the inability to at least try and substantiate your ideas is never a good starting point.
As an Agnostic, I hold the skeptical view as to the possible existence of an omniscient being, and believe that the existence of God cannot be proved. It doesn't mean that I am right, and should dismiss outright the views of others who hold Religious convictions as wrong.
However,on the other side of the debate to Kirkstaller is Gareth1984. Who is an Atheist, and as that is a definitive position which denies completely the idea of a GOD, I simply ask him to share with us his evidence for arriving at that particular viewpoint.
I'm not too sure I follow the logic in your last paragraph, re the Loch Ness Monster. For definitave proof simply text the Scottish Tourist Board.....  |
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The thing that got me about Kirkstaller when he said all non believers/athiests etc are sinners,liars ,and adulterers.Now was he trolling here?If he is he is saying that its not possible be a non believer and be a good and decent person who shows goodwill to his or her fellow human beings,and at the same time even though you have been with the same partner for many years you are an adulterer and a thief ,and a liar.Well thats an awful lot of people to condemn.Wasnt Christ supposed to have said "vENGEANCE IS MINE"as well as other things .
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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Quote: BillyRhino "However,on the other side of the debate to Kirkstaller is Gareth1984. Who is an Atheist, and as that is a definitive position which denies completely the idea of a GOD, I simply ask him to share with us his evidence for arriving at that particular viewpoint.
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I suggest you actually learn what atheism actually means before you attempt to set up a straw man of my position. Atheism is in its broadest sense a lack of belief in God/s. What you describe is in fact "strong" atheism, however I do not subscribe to that particular viewpoint.
There is a distinction between the two forms of atheism, however not all atheists are strong atheists, in fact from my own experience very few atheists could be considered "strong" atheists. The terms agnostic and atheist are also not in themselves mutually exclusive, a/gnosticism refers to knowledge whilst A/theism refers to belief or lack of belief in deities, therefore it is entirely possible to be both agnostic and an atheist.
I do not require evidence to arrive at my position for the simple reason that I do not hold the view that there is no God but rather that I have no reason to believe in God/s based on the complete absence of evidence in their favour, therefore I prefer to reject theistic claims until such evidence is provided.
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Whilst I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable of sources, the article does explain some of what I have said above regarding the definition of atheism. |
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Quote: BillyRhino "However,on the other side of the debate to Kirkstaller is Gareth1984. Who is an Atheist, and as that is a definitive position which denies completely the idea of a GOD, I simply ask him to share with us his evidence for arriving at that particular viewpoint.
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I suggest you actually learn what atheism actually means before you attempt to set up a straw man of my position. Atheism is in its broadest sense a lack of belief in God/s. What you describe is in fact "strong" atheism, however I do not subscribe to that particular viewpoint.
There is a distinction between the two forms of atheism, however not all atheists are strong atheists, in fact from my own experience very few atheists could be considered "strong" atheists. The terms agnostic and atheist are also not in themselves mutually exclusive, a/gnosticism refers to knowledge whilst A/theism refers to belief or lack of belief in deities, therefore it is entirely possible to be both agnostic and an atheist.
I do not require evidence to arrive at my position for the simple reason that I do not hold the view that there is no God but rather that I have no reason to believe in God/s based on the complete absence of evidence in their favour, therefore I prefer to reject theistic claims until such evidence is provided.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
Whilst I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable of sources, the article does explain some of what I have said above regarding the definition of atheism. | |
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| Quote: El Diablo "However, as bright a lad as Stephen Hawking is, crediting him with coming up with the big bang theory is wildly inaccurate.'"
He's also wildly inaccurate at predicting when the next bus should arrive at any given stand at Leeds Bus Station. |
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