I've suggested in other threads that we should off load both Kirke & Bailey (to be told that we can't dismantle the team in one go) ! A lot of people seem to agree that BOTH should be moved on - if neither are good enough/contribute.
Surely we are better making room for either new signings &/or promoting youngsters ? It may take time to re-establish a top team but is that not better than putting up with what we have now ?

That was some game, and some sequence.

In my recolection wasn't Creasser penalised in the original cup encounter at Widnes for throwing a Widnes players boot away? I seem to remember the penalty was kicked. And we complain about random refereeing these days.

Goes back to The Magic Rat's post about how we've peaked more than any other team at the business end of the year, it was then attempted to be dismissed by saying no look at 2013.

That's not what he said at all. Had he said that, it is quite clear as we have more wins than anyone else, therefore peaked more than anyone else.

What he said was, we had nothing to worry about this year, as we had proven time and time again that we can peak at the end of the season. I just simply offered the view that, except for recent times, i.e. last year.

If you then want to get into a discussion about it, that is still different to the point raised. However, we didn't succeed last year due to tired, busted bodies, on important players. Those same players are a year older still, or two years older since it last worked.

Therefore it wouldn't be right to rest your argument on what has happened previously. Far better to rest it on what are these players capable of.

I never said we had nothing to worry about. Feel free to show me the quote.
I said posters writing the side off COULD end up with egg on their face as the team have proved in previous seasons we have been able to perform when it has counted.
We didn't last season, but as pointed out this we failed to win in 2010 and 06 but came back the following season to win the competition.

It was Cliff Lyons that threw the boot (belonging to Tony Myler) away, it was reported by the touch judge to referee Gerry Kershaw who gave the penalty for 'ungentlemanly conduct.' Leeds queried the ruling after the match with Joe Manly (referee assessor at the game) who stated a letter had been sent to all clubs just a couple of weeks earlier regarding such issues. Leeds claimed to have seen no sight of said communication.

As a postscript to the excellent last minute angled penalty equaliser from the boot of Creasser - who had earlier missed with all five of his attempts - Leeds almost kicked the ball to touch believing they were still four points in arrears before frantic messages got through from the bench via the players across the width of the pitch.