The point a lot of you are missing is this. Yes, we were utter cr*p tonight, and have been most of the season so far. But how many of our first team squad were involved in the World cup? 8 in the England squad, + Leuluai + Lauitititi for Samoa. Ten players in total out of a squad of 20 odd who have had no off season. Yes I know the Stains had 7, but how many actually showed up in the World cup? Frankly I don't believe we will win anything this season, most of the players are bu**ered already. I half expect us to collapse at the back end of the season. On current form, JP is already a spent force.

St Helens lost 4 from 5, Leeds are currently on 4 from 7 but it's early days yet. Leeds lost 4 from 7 at one point last season and still ended the season as Champions.

Leeds have the seventh best attack in the league at the moment and it shows in the performances. One out boring rugby, with no hint of an offload or any second phase. There's no backing up anymore because there's nothing to back up anymore.

I only hope it's part of a wickedly devious plan because I keep hearing how great things are going in training and how the CEO believes Leeds have a squad capable of reaching their goals this season.

We certainly need some flair out wide as the pack is unable to win games on its own. The loss of Ellis has impacted on the strength of the pack and the likes of JJB and Sinfield who although having decent seasons are not making the breaks they were.

I also feel we currently have a real lack of creativity coming from the halfbacks so far this season. I do feel we have a lot more to come from a lot of the squad but are short of where we were last season by a fair way.

The Eastwood decision certainly could not be forseen but I still have to question the perceived lack of effort to bring in a decent centre to replace Toopi as this has caused all sorts of trouble for us out wide........especially with us having to move Donald.

Agree. We have the players (except a right ) but it is the team plan that is wrong. Too much down the middle and Peacock style die with the ball will not win any cups. Go back to the attacking style with flair and we will be back up there.

I think we should crawl back under our stone..