[quote="Bubba":1t6j5kkh]1) You are incorrect. Yes, I may have spoken out over the years about the conduct of those running Fax, but regardless I am pro-Halifax Panthers and the value they bring to the town. There is a difference between the two...just as I am pro-FCHT but against the current owner. 2) Any 'unchallenged' nonsense, can be challenged! 3) Yes, you need to register to use the forum, as you do this one. This was due to an avalanche of spam-users a number of years ago. Even if it was 'public' who would shut it down and for what reasons? Registering is available to anybody so I am at a loss to what you are on about. 4) I am not sure what my involvement with the forum has in connection to the working party. I can back up my past in relation to the Shay and the value I believe it has to the local community, which is hugely influenced by having two solid/successful sporting teams as tenants. If people dont like me or things I have said in the past or future, fine. Its not a popularity contest. I know with Fax fans, my reputation (if I had one) was tarnished with the Tony Abbott affair, for which I was proven right. That wasnt due to any negative feeling towards the rugby club. As for 'unsheathing it for battle', I dont have a clue what you are on about.[/quote:1t6j5kkh] Bubba Posted May 10, 2024 On 5/10/2024 at 6:54 PM, Flea said: Good. There can not be any softening to let that lot worm there way to get any support. Literally give those lot an inch and they will take a mile (and then say it is all theirs anyway) They are a danger in that stunts like last seasons playing on the pitch put pressure on our club and put us at risk. They have already had a big hand in killing one football club ,yet some want to try work with them and help them now? How much have we lost in the past month or two because of this shower? How did playing away impact us for our playoff run/push and the lost income - how much is that going to impact us next season? They are currently actively hurting our club. There can be no co-existing with people who do everything possible to cause us damage with no remorse. SQUATTERS OUT. I'm now in this camp. I've tried to see things from fax point of view as i used enjoy watching them and there are decent supporters and some good, long members of staff. But they have been let down by liars, scheisters, chances... Squatters out

Dear bubba https://youtu.be/bYgniftVxQ8?si=BjaDQrXy4Fjnr9aa

Dear bubba https://youtu.be/bYgniftVxQ8?si=BjaDQrXy4Fjnr9aa

If you don't mind me saying, guys, if you think that Hoddie shaymen forum is so full of idiots and vitriol why are you bothering to read it? You're just getting sucked in and letting it wind you up. Just ignore it!

[quote="Listenup94":3fs0dz67]Dear bubba https://youtu.be/bYgniftVxQ8?si=BjaDQrXy4Fjnr9aa[/quote:3fs0dz67] Apologies. I was waiting for you to reply to the points I'd made to your post. Which is usually how it works.

[quote="Listenup94":3fs0dz67]Dear bubba https://youtu.be/bYgniftVxQ8?si=BjaDQrXy4Fjnr9aa[/quote:3fs0dz67] Apologies. I was waiting for you to reply to the points I'd made to your post. Which is usually how it works.

[quote="Bubba":294rd63r]Apologies. I was waiting for you to reply to the points I'd made to your post. Which is usually how it works.[/quote:294rd63r] Apologies, I did .I dont need to bullet point every statement you made , I'll be candid , I sped read it , you hoddie , and the majority of that forum are anti rugby , which is why you refer to us in the negative way you do . I've been on and off the shaymen forum for years and the message is and always will be squatters out. Might come to bite you in the that saying.

[quote="Listenup94":1xsvv2bv]Apologies, I did .I dont need to bullet point every statement you made , I'll be candid , I sped read it , you hoddie , and the majority of that forum are anti rugby , which is why you refer to us in the negative way you do . I've been on and off the shaymen forum for years and the message is and always will be squatters out. Might come to bite you in the booty that saying.[/quote:1xsvv2bv] Hey, it's no skin off my nose if our proposal has no legs. I'm a volunteer trying to do something positive as opposed to the risk of the council selling it to someone who may not necessarily have the best interests of our clubs as priority. What I would say is that I've been a vociferous critic of the football club owner over his ownership of the football club. And similarly over the years with those running fax. They are two separate entities...owners and clubs. At least I'm consistent, regardless of which club it is which should count for something. I want two successful club in a stable and thriving setting, and that's what this boils down to for me. You have an agenda. The working group has been nothing but positive and ambitious in relation to the two clubs. There is no agenda other than wanting what's best for both clubs so they can focus on on field matters. But I'll leave it there. Some people won't be won over...some people don't want to be won over. I'm fully committed to what we want to achieve, and as a group it's nothing but the best intentions. But I certainly won't be concerned about people chucking mud.

[quote="Bubba":1j6hdns3]Hey, it's no skin off my nose if our proposal has no legs. I'm a volunteer trying to do something positive as opposed to the risk of the council selling it to someone who may not necessarily have the best interests of our clubs as priority. What I would say is that I've been a vociferous critic of the football club owner over his ownership of the football club. And similarly over the years with those running fax. They are two separate entities...owners and clubs. At least I'm consistent, regardless of which club it is which should count for something. I want two successful club in a stable and thriving setting, and that's what this boils down to for me. You have an agenda. The working group has been nothing but positive and ambitious in relation to the two clubs. There is no agenda other than wanting what's best for both clubs so they can focus on on field matters. But I'll leave it there. Some people won't be won over...some people don't want to be won over. I'm fully committed to what we want to achieve, and as a group it's nothing but the best intentions. But I certainly won't be concerned about people chucking mud.[/quote:1j6hdns3] Whats the agenda? I'm not chucking mud im pointing out that the members of the working group have been chucking mud at the rugby club on a public forum for years and therefore should remove themselves from the group. Its pretty simple really.

[quote="Listenup94":3nth5z3m]Whats the agenda? I'm not chucking mud im pointing out that the members of the working group have been chucking mud at the rugby club on a public forum for years and therefore should remove themselves from the group. Its pretty simple really.[/quote:3nth5z3m] Why have they been chucking mud? Whilst not here to defend hoddie, I'd also say he's been very critical about the fcht owner. So the rest of my post stands. He's not anti rugby...he's anti how the club has been run. But is very pro halifax. Maybe you should get involved with our group...serious offer. I've no idea who you are...what your experience is...but sometimes having your worst critics involved is actually a positive step for the wider goal. More than happy to meet for a pint if you want to raise your head above the parapet. And again, I'm being genuine.

[quote="Bubba":209fbljs]Why have they been chucking mud? Whilst not here to defend hoddie, I'd also say he's been very critical about the fcht owner. So the rest of my post stands. He's not anti rugby...he's anti how the club has been run. But is very pro halifax. Maybe you should get involved with our group...serious offer. I've no idea who you are...what your experience is...but sometimes having your worst critics involved is actually a positive step for the wider goal. More than happy to meet for a pint if you want to raise your head above the parapet. And again, I'm being genuine.[/quote:209fbljs] Shame that offer wasn't a few years ago, think I read you drink in the rose n crown , used to drink in the star down the road when I lived in lindwell.

[quote="Bubba":2tlax9p4]Why have they been chucking mud? Whilst not here to defend hoddie, I'd also say he's been very critical about the fcht owner. So the rest of my post stands. He's not anti rugby...he's anti how the club has been run. But is very pro halifax. [/quote:2tlax9p4] I agree with a lot that you have said previously but I totally disagree with this. Hoddie most definatley is anti-rugby and anti-Fax. He should be nowhere near any working group that has the interests of both teams at its heart.

[quote="Listenup94":pik5dg5h]Shame that offer wasn't a few years ago, think I read you drink in the rose n crown , used to drink in the star down the road when I lived in lindwell.[/quote:pik5dg5h] I drank in there from around 1996 to now, so I must know you.

[quote="Bubba":11skwa3x]I drank in there from around 1996 to now, so I must know you.[/quote:11skwa3x] Only lived there 2014 to 2019 , are you from elland /west vale ?

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":33txeo26]I agree with a lot that you have said previously but I totally disagree with this. Hoddie most definatley is anti-rugby and anti-Fax. He should be nowhere near any working group that has the interests of both teams at its heart.[/quote:33txeo26] He's not. You don't know him. You just don't like how he asks you to provide fact rather than bluster

[quote="Listenup94":15jl2nta]Only lived there 2014 to 2019 , are you from elland /west vale ?[/quote:15jl2nta] 5mins walk from the star all my life (in various houses)

[quote="Bubba":qdds68tm]He's not. You don't know him. You just don't like how he asks you to provide fact rather than bluster [/quote:qdds68tm] To quote him - "I wake up every day and hope to read the news about Fax going to the wall. I doubt there'd even be enough interest to phoenix it. Squatters out." There are a hell of a lot of posts on that forum that are very similar by him. I do find it funny when he is provided with an option that backs up everything that I have said and suddenly he moves the goal posts. Says a lot about him as a person and again from a fax point of view, he should be nowhere near anything that is working for the best interests of both clubs. He could ruin something that has the potentital to be a good idea as no Fax fan is going to support it when they know what he has been saying about our club.

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":xnb9a506]To quote him - "I wake up every day and hope to read the news about Fax going to the wall. I doubt there'd even be enough interest to phoenix it. Squatters out." There are a hell of a lot of posts on that forum that are very similar by him. I do find it funny when he is provided with an option that backs up everything that I have said and suddenly he moves the goal posts. Says a lot about him as a person and again from a fax point of view, he should be nowhere near anything that is working for the best interests of both clubs. He could ruin something that has the potentital to be a good idea as no Fax fan is going to support it when they know what he has been saying about our club.[/quote:xnb9a506] On the flip side, is he worse for the future of the stadium or either club than any director who has led, for example fax into the current financial predicament they find themselves in?

Hoddie literally runs a town forum where a large percentage is slagging the rugby club off , in john mcenroes words ' you cannot be serious '

I don't know either Bubba or Hoddie. What i will say is i believe Bubba is genuine in what he says. Hoddie however is absolutely full of hatred for Fax and should be nowhere near a group trying to find the best outcome for both sporting clubs using The Shay.

[quote="Bubba":3skud1jo]On the flip side, is he worse for the future of the stadium or either club than any director who has led, for example fax into the current financial predicament they find themselves in?[/quote:3skud1jo] He has the potential to be as bad for our club. I wonder what the Town fans would be saying if there was someone that was part of the group and for the last decade or so had talked about how they want Town out of the stadium or to go bust again? I think we know the answer to this.

I see good will to all men didn’t last long.

But they'll put all of their energy in to whining on an internet forum, potentially getting an outcome they're not happy with, and then throwing their hands in the air at the injustice of it all when really they've done nothing actionable to try and alleviate their concerns. Hats off though to any supporter that supports their local team and puts the effort in to actually go and watch them, rather a team where the most effort they have to put in is turn the telly on. I would hope the love for their club is the over-riding factor in this, as is ours. I would argue there is more wrong with football that needs addressing rather directing their ire at us.

[quote="Listenup94":3mh2pwfa]Hoddie literally runs a town forum where a large percentage is slagging the rugby club off , in john mcenroes words ' you cannot be serious '[/quote:3mh2pwfa] So you want free speech to be limited on the forum to something you agree with?

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":2amqtnao]He has the potential to be as bad for our club. I wonder what the Town fans would be saying if there was someone that was part of the group and for the last decade or so had talked about how they want Town out of the stadium or to go bust again? I think we know the answer to this.[/quote:2amqtnao] He's one voice. Don't be so paranoid

[quote="Bubba":1jpgf56z]So you want free speech to be limited on the forum to something you agree with?[/quote:1jpgf56z] Ironically there is no free speech on there as I've been banned 7 times . He can crack on with his forum but should be nowhere near anything to do with the running of the shay.

[quote="Listenup94":w29wvlv5]Ironically there is no free speech on there as I've been banned 7 times . He can crack on with his forum but should be nowhere near anything to do with the running of the shay.[/quote:w29wvlv5] That's incorrect. Gfn1 is still there,albeit under a different name. You've only been banned if you're being a dick or trolling. If you're making a fair argument, you wouldn't have been banned. This forum used to be the worst for banning.. Hoddie was banned...which i think probably led to his low tolerance of RL trollls