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I think the implications are quite bad now he's had Wrexhams main fansite down today rlhttp://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham-zeroed/49868-thats-ive-had-enough.htmlrl, and there talk of boycott for both Wrexham FC and Crusaders by locals. He's just shot himself in the foot in a big way I belive.

I thought things didn't look too good , I wouldn't imagine Moss would stay in his role with the rugby club but and just finish his connections with the football team.

He won't walk away, theres to much money to be made out of the Wrexham Village project (student flats, on the ground). Trouble is he's alienating the locals, and he won't enter into any form of discussion with the fans whatsoever.

As you know, I'm not the new franchise's biggest fan BUT...

This is unfolding in a similar way to Leighton Samuel's (the Cru's first benefactor) original foray into rugby franchises.
1. Read and take seriously, internet message board postings.
2. Aggrandise oneself and ones financial contribution.
3. Claim death threats.
4. Call police.
5. Threaten to leave.
6. Try and silence criticism.
This appears to be where things are.

This is what happens next:

7. Fans rebel and a sizeable minority boycott.
8. Attendances get embarrasingly small.
9. Income drops.
10. Financial burden on benefactor increases.
11. Benefactor criticises fans.
12. Loop points 1 to 11 approx three times.
13. Benefactor gets disillusioned. Fans get disillusioned. Sport governing body get disillusioned.
14. Benefactor cuts losses and offloads franchise to anyone who will pay up (often governing body)
EITHER:
15a New benefactor makes big changes to aggrandise himself and p155e5 off existing fanbase (ergo fans lose)
OR:
15b Governing body cuts losses and closes franchise / awards to someone else (ergo fans lose)
16. Original benefactor makes claims he expected something else whilst heaping all blame on new owner / old supporters.

I've seen this twice now. Deal with it in whatever way you can as soon as possible. maybe a meeting between FC supporters club and Moss. Because if the egotist oligarch carries on down this path, history could repeat itself as regards FC and Crusaders is too close to Moss to not catch some flying shiit too.

Oh you old cynic you

Unfortunatly, Moss isn't in the business of meeting with us common fans. To him we're just an inconveniance.

In all honesty, Moss won't do anything to harm Crusaders intentionally, he will protect that investment, but I do fear where he might go with FC, so the whole situation is e.

I hope you are right (despite some earlier comments made by my darker half - calmed down some now)

Moss is a far more successful businessman than Samule (sic) and though he seems arrogant and capricious, you'd like to think he'd more sense than to walk away from big investments.

But speaking as a reactionary sort of person myself, his shiitting on WFC will affect the gates of Crusaders, I guarantee it. Only 5-10% perhaps, but it puts a greater financial burden on the egotist.

Listen you flat capper [ or whatever that cap you were going on about a few weeks back ] , dont you come on here trolling the fans of this expansion club , get back on your own clubs board , they've not even won a game yet and thier attendances so far have been abismal

Surely not?

I was right about a boycott though

Still if you can do an 8,000 crowd against 'Ull with a boycott in place it doesn't look too bad for you lot.

Just someone tell Moss not to do another "Samuel" and keep him off messageboards, cos it all adds up!

People were talking about it on here, so I assumed it was happening, and given Moss' statements would not have been surprised.

If it doesn't then all to the good for you lot.

A lot of Gogs have bought into this ( a lot more than we in the South did ) so whatever foul deeds were done to make this move, they had no part of it and deserve their shot. Hence my revised view.

Boycott of games by the masses (or the few) has been averted. Theres still upset with the reason why it was going to be implemented (some people still boycotting club shop).

Geoff Moss did manage to get some credibility back with quite alot of fans by replying to most fans emails who had concerns. Also the new look board held a fans forum a couple of days ago, which was to show the fans of Wrexham FC & Crusaders RL there vision of going forward. Not many turned up, but those that did, seemed to be quite happy with the new Chairman Ian Roberts. So hopefully the Issues will get resolved soon.