You said top 'club' which Hull are. Team, no, but club, yes.

Similar?
This season Kirke has made an average of 21 meters more per game, He has made an average of 1.6 more carries a game which means Ian Kirke makes an average of 1.29 meters more from all those extra carries.
He has also made more average offloads 0.25 compared to Jason Nethertons average of 0.22.
Still at least Jason Netherton has made more tackles (The benchmark of a SL forward apparently).
So not as similar as you think then.
But hey if you want to continue to think the like of Jason Netherton will take us onto the next level because he can tackle go for it.
I would like our forwards to do a little bit more.

You're a very cross man.

Poor Jason Netherton.

It gets better.
On average since 2007 (The first year HKR/JN played together in SL).
Ian Kirke has made an average of 49.6 meters per game Jason Netherton has made an average of 46.7 so that is + 2.9 meters per game to Ian Kirke so yes so far there isn's much in it so far.
Average carries per game is 7.4 to IK, 7.6 to JN so again similar.
JN wins on the tackle per game stats (This isn't in arguement although surely that stops them being similar?)
IK makes an average of 6.6 meters per carry, JN makes an average of 6.1 an extra half a meter PER carry will make a diffrence.
IK has made 44 (Average of 0.6 offloads per game), JN 11(Yes 11 in over 4 years)(Average of 0.13 per game) so we safely say Ian Kirke wipes the floor with Jason Netherton here.
My last stat is for tackle busts IK has made 48 since 2007 (0.6 per game), JN has made 46 (0.5).
So in conclusion Ian Kirke makes 2.9 meters more per game, He makes half a meter more per carry, He has made 33 (yes 33) more offloads (0.43 more per game), plus 0.1 per game more tackle busts.
Jason Netherton makes more tackles (I always said he was in the side to do this) and he makes an average of 0.2 more carries per game.
So like I said in my previous post not as similar as you would think.



Is this the part where you have to return that Kudos?

The stats don't give the full picture IMO .

Your comparing a player from a GF winning side to one performing in a lower ranked side.

Leeds by virtue of being a top side they would have been on the front foot more - thus less tackling and more offensive plays.

In our first SL two seasons in particular we were certainly up against it , and often only long periods in defence brought us results.

Its funny you should mention that.
Ian Kirkes worst 2 years for average meters where 2008+2010
His best 2 years where 2011+2009
Jason Nerthertons worst 2 years where 2010+2011.
His best 2 years being 2008+2007.
So in actual fact he made more meters per carry in exactly the years we were up against it as you put it.
Ian Kirke made 24 offloads last year, Jason Netherton made 5, Infact in no point has JN surpassed or even matched IK on this stat, but his best 2 years were infact 2008 and 2010.
Infact if we remove 2007+2008 for the averages the gap between the 2 gets even bigger.

Interesting indeed.

Though I suppose the coaches game plans and team selection will not be too much based on these stats , having a player who can put a fair old stint in defence will be of some merit with regard team selection.

IMO , JN is definitely no world beater but puts a decent shift in defence in particular , and has been worth his inclusion in the squad.

Netherton seems to be coming in for some serious scapegoating. Isn't the real issue that he's fine as a decent/honest squad player: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=422973&start=0 ..but he's getting picked ahead of other players that fans generally believe can contribute more at this level, ie it's a coach's selection issue rather than an ability issue?

Netherton seems to be coming in for some serious scapegoating. Isn't the real issue that he's fine as a decent/honest squad player: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=422973&start=0 ..but he's getting picked ahead of other players that fans generally believe can contribute more at this level, ie it's a coach's selection issue rather than an ability issue?

Squad, Yes.
A constant first team regular, No.

I agree.
It's a squad game , but it's how you select the team for a particular game is the point.

The old adage that defence wins games is true , but you do also have to look at your offensive options to capitalise on good defensive work.

Our cause has not been helped either by the number of errors made and giving away field position , increasing the amount of tackling we've had to do at the wrong end of the field.

i've said on a fair few threads that as a squad player (back up, not first 17) fed trained and cheapish on the cap that i'd agree with him being involved but imo there is far more better players than jn in the squad that should be selected before him.

Take off those dislike specs and read what you have actually posted. Your stats are very VERY similar (something you asked for as you will never get a player that is accurately the same) and the only stat that puts Kirke ahead of Jase is the offloads of which our WHOLE sqaud rarely does.

In his first game Mason offloaded more in that one game than Jase has over three seasons yet in the 5 games that followed that he offloaded ONCE. Does this not show that the coaching is the problem and if Jase was encouraged to offload he would probably be up there with similar stats to Kirke.

We play safe rugby, Leeds play an offload risk game. Put Jase in that squad under those coaches and he'd be on a par with Kirke easily. Remember it is not that he can't offload because in the CC Quarter Final against Warrington he released an almost impossible offload that got us a try.

I have also never said that Netherton or Kirke are players that will take us to the next level but what I am saying is he is the sort of cheap dependable player who puts everything in which is what his coach asks of him. All players have jobs on the pitch, he does the one he is asked to do and does it very well.

If he does leave I fear for the player that you take a dislike to...

Yes very similar apart from offloads..................and meters made per tackle obviously (I say 1/2 a meter more everytime is a pretty big diffrence but you don't think so obviously.).

It's fifty centimetres, Kirke is fifty centimetres taller than Netherton so it's just that he falls further when tackled.