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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The title of the thread may give you a clue
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Not really any guide to what's true or what's made up on here though is it? 
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| Quote ="Robbo4" I enjoy having Rovers in SL'"
1. Finally, something we agree on.
2. Sig material anyone? 
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| Quote ="Reddan"another dig at hull :yawn:
don't see the need, just makes us look bitter IMHO.'"
Quote ="redder3"Although its nice to read and a good giggle, its not the words of a chairman, more of a fans forum member. He needs to put aside his 'fan' credentials when writing in official programmes/papers etc.'"
Quote ="milpool"Indeed, it's comments like this that tend to come back and bite you on the bum.'"
A selection of quotes from the 6 fingered forum.
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| Quote ="Dnats Ynnepeerht"I think your both mixing up business acumen and expertise with unprofessional. He's unprofessional in his attitude, the way he conducts himself and the way he portrays your club.'"
better highly competent and unprofessional than professional and incompetent, eh?
Quote ="Robbo4"He has gambled the future of the club IMO. You will seriously need to increase revenue to even start clawing back the money you owe. Look at how long its taken FC to start reducing its debt and we are a much bigger club with much bigger revenue streams. Thats not a dig by the way you are clearly the better team at the moment but we are talking about the actual club. You only have to look at the likes of Saints who get bigger crowds then you and receive loads of prize money yet continue to make a loss to see how difficult it is going to be for Rovers to even break even in the near future. IMO (I may well be wrong) but he has been letting his heart rule his head in a desire to get Rovers as competitive as possible as quickly as possible. Maybe it will pay off in the long run but I cant really see how at the moment.'"
He had to gamble though really - a conservative approach wouldn't have got to us to where we are. Conservatism can be a gamble in itself - that is the underlying thrust of a lot of posts on your board, IMO. Now the challenge is to make a go of where we are. As you say, even Saints don't make money - RL is not a place to build a fortune, I fear. Saints recently turned debt into shares, such is the commitment of their backers. Rovers board has a good record in that respect too, but new revenue will have to be found sooner of later - SL is the place to find it at least. Failing that, maybe we can just trundle along as an East Yorkshire version of Wakefield - I'd have taken that 4 or even 3 years ago. Its possible that Rovers aren't viable as a SL team long-term, but with crowds of 8K, I think we should be able to get by. The headline loss figure is only part of the story of the accounts - how much of that is down to one off payments for capital investment (floodlights, east stand extension etc)? While losses were steady, turnover was up, so the business (as well as the debt), is growing.
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| Quote ="Stan Butler"A selection of quotes from the 6 fingered forum.'"
Thanks, but there really is no need to quote me from another forum just to prove once again that you can log in to it.
I've said as much, if not more on this very thread.

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| Quote ="Stan Butler"I would rather have somebody who is professional at their job, bear in mind these are the people that negotiate sponsorship etc etc.
Don't get me wrong, I am not attacking Grudge's passion, just questioning where he draws the line between being a fan, and running a professional business.'"
that rules out your board then, (no pun intended)
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He has been unprofessional in his conduct as HKR chairman IMO. I have no knowledge of his actions as a "lawyer" so cant comment on those.'"
Please dont talk so much absolute rubbish
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He has gambled the future of the club IMO. You will seriously need to increase revenue to even start clawing back the money you owe. Look at how long its taken FC to start reducing its debt and we are a much bigger club with much bigger revenue streams. Thats not a dig by the way you are clearly the better team at the moment but we are talking about the actual club. You only have to look at the likes of Saints who get bigger crowds then you and receive loads of prize money yet continue to make a loss to see how difficult it is going to be for Rovers to even break even in the near future. IMO (I may well be wrong) but he has been letting his heart rule his head in a desire to get Rovers as competitive as possible as quickly as possible. Maybe it will pay off in the long run but I cant really see how at the moment.'"
With far greater financial outgoings, (your rent alone dwarfs Hull krs).
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| Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"1. Finally, something we agree on.
2. Sig material anyone?
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Ooh, this is a good game.
My go:
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... maybe we can just trundle along as an East Yorkshire version of Wakefield'"
Quote ="Alphabetti Spaghetti Go!"Our Chairman should learn to differentiate between wind-up merchants on the internet, and the RL team they support.'"
Quote ="Digger_the_Dog"Or tell suppliers to stop publicising how much money the club owe them and how they are struggling to get paid?
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| Judging by the comments of the Hull fans on this forum its mission accomplished Neil 
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The last section is equally as interesting.
'Knowledgeable fans are not fooled nor should they be by promises of big names around the corner.This competition should be about here and now and not next season.
Anything less is selling those supporters short in my view'.'"
From the man who declared in the Yorkshire Post that two "top drawer" signings would be announced "between now and the end of the year" when Rovers had lost 5 of their last 7. And coincidentally around the time of trying to mask a 23% increase in ticket prices with a half-baked and ill-communicated membership scheme. Excuse me whilst I choke on the stench of hypocrisy. 
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"From the man who declared in the Yorkshire Post that two "top drawer" signings would be announced "between now and the end of the year" when Rovers had lost 5 of their last 7. And coincidentally around the time of trying to mask a 23% increase in ticket prices with a half-baked and ill-communicated membership scheme. Excuse me whilst I choke on the stench of hypocrisy.
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So as he said 'the end of year' exactly what has he gone back on.
Hull announced their 'top drawer'  signings during a season long losing streak.
And the membership scheme is going fine thanks Mrs Obsessed 
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So as he said 'the end of year' exactly what has he gone back on.'"
He was criticising clubs for promising new players for next season during this season. Having the previous week promised "2 top drawer players" for next season. Apologies if the double standards there are too subtle for you. At least our announcements were actual players that us fans don't pay for until December.. Yours are vague promises that fans are paying for 8 months in advance. Short-changed indeed. 
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"He was criticising clubs for promising new players for next season during this season. Having the previous week promised "2 top drawer players" for next season. Apologies if the double standards there are too subtle for you. At least our announcements were actual players that us fans don't pay for until December.. Yours are vague promises that fans are paying for 8 months in advance. Short-changed indeed.
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You best read the programme.
He has no need to appease the Rovers fans this season as the play offs are virtually guarenteed with the current group of players.
Where as across on your forum several threads have sprung up all year from fans saying they will not purchase a season pass in 2010 because of the dire standard of rugby Hull FC produce
Confirmed in this next extract in which he refers to recruitment
'Let me assure everyone that we are very active on that front.
We will only bring in players though that add something to the squad so i suppose now we are getting more established our recruitment becomes more selective and patient as a result'
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"You best read the programme.
He has no need to appease the Rovers fans this season as the play offs are virtually guarenteed with the current group of players.
Where as across on your forum several threads have sprung up all year from fans saying they will not purchase a season pass in 2010 because of the dire standard of rugby Hull FC produce
Confirmed in this next extract in which he refers to recruitment
'Let me assure everyone that we are very active on that front.
We will only bring in players though that add something to the squad so i suppose now we are getting more established our recruitment becomes more selective and patient as a result'
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So it's OK to make vague promises about "top drawer" signings and "assure everyone that Rovers are very active", whilst demanding a £60 upfront payment to avoid a £50 on-cost later this year. What is not OK is to announce 4 actual new players for next season whilst asking for nothing. Do you really not see how ludicrous his claim to some sort of "respect the fans" moral highground is? Honestly?
In terms of the season passholder numbers point, I guess we won't know until December how we compare. Using your logic, Club Rovers is going so fantastically, and FC fans are so disillusioned, that Rovers passholder numbers could well exceed FC's in 2010.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"So it's OK to make vague promises about "top drawer" signings and "assure everyone that Rovers are very active", whilst demanding a £60 upfront payment to avoid a £50 on-cost later this year. What is not OK is to announce 4 actual new players for next season whilst asking for nothing. Do you really not see how ludicrous his claim to some sort of "respect the fans" moral highground is? Honestly?

In terms of the season passholder numbers point, I guess we won't know until December how we compare. Using your logic, Club Rovers is going so fantastically, and FC fans are so disillusioned, that Rovers passholder numbers could well exceed FC's in 2010.'"
How much more overdramatic can you possibly be
Demanding £60
People either choose to pay it they dont.
Id say securing Newton,Welham and Fox to long term deals is being active wouldnt you, it doesnt have to be players from other clubs although there will be a few additions.
Hull have announced players early to give your lot hope of a change afer 2 seasons of under performance on a grand scale.
You have seen and probably commented on the threads across on your forum from disgrunted fans so dont even attempt to suggest they havent happened.
As said Hudge certainly knows how to press the right buttons to pee you lot off 
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"How much more overdramatic can you possibly be
Demanding £60
People either choose to pay it they dont.
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Unless they spend £60 now, they get a 23% increase of later in the year. Between a rock and a hard place I think is the phrase.
Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Id say securing Newton,Welham and Fox to long term deals is being active wouldnt you, it doesnt have to be players from other clubs although there will be a few additions. '"
You don't have to blag it to me, I've no intention of signing up for Club Rovers, even with the vague "top drawer" signings incentive.
Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Hull have announced players early to give your lot hope of a change afer 2 seasons of under performance on a grand scale.'"
So they shouldn't have done so because....? And it's not just us announcing players now. Did you miss Fa'alogo, Soliola, L'Estrange, Hall etc. Are Saints somehow disrespecting their fans by announcing Soliola?
Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"You have seen and probably commented on the threads across on your forum from disgrunted fans so dont even attempt to suggest they havent happened.'"
Where have I said our fans aren't disgruntled, I am agreeing with you. Like you said, Club Rovers membership is going brilliantly, and our fans are hacked off to the point of falling attendances. Surely in 2010 Rovers will get an extra 1,000 passholders and FC will lose at least 1,000, so Rovers passholder numbers will exceed FC's.
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| Major difference amongst all that flannel is yes Saints have announced signings.
They have also announced the release of Long and Gilmour.
Rovers have not released anybody as yet.
Bradford same scenario as you, crap season so announce 2010 signings early.
Plus like Saints have let it be known Newton and Morrison are not being retained
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| Your normally into micro detail on my posts.
You therefore know that i have already stated that i believe that the initial intake of 2010 members will come from the existing fan base.
So nice try but no cigar.
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| Your both making very good points (Mrs B anb Big Daddy Gml) but you are both missing the most crucial point here, nobody knows what Hudge likes on his Jacket Potato!! 
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Your normally into micro detail on my posts.
You therefore know that i have already stated that i believe that the initial intake of 2010 members will come from the existing fan base.
So nice try but no cigar.'"
You are missing the point. cab man has already said "Build it and they will come". The East stand extension will be ready for the start of the 2010 season according to those in the know on here. With that and the momentum of Club Rovers membership getting off to such an outstanding start, passholder numbers will surely be well up year on year. By contrast, at FC, we are so disgruntled that many will not renew. 
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| Quote ="Digger_the_Dog"Your both making very good points (Mrs B anb Big Daddy Gml) but you are both missing the most crucial point here, nobody knows what Hudge likes on his Jacket Potato!!
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Do you think he wears a wrestling leotard in his spare time?
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I dont know but contrary to popular myth I have a girlfriend and am not into things like that 
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