Whilst I agree speed and strength does not constitute a good RL player, I was merely pointing out that we do have an advantage in that area and should try to utilise that advantage to the full by keeping Saints out of our half at all costs.

Fair point. (first one ive ever seen you make mind!)

really? i'd have thought webster over any distance tbh.

I see the point you are trying to make but its not about speed or power alone. Teams defend and attack as a unit, support play comes into it aswell as a desire to chase back and defend the line at all costs. When Saints attack the move the ball wide and support play really well, they have enough players skill and pace to score from anywhere on the pitch.

Gilmour is very very quick, i'd be surprised of Webster was quicker in a foot race.

He never said it was.

What started as an observation that could lead to a useful (probably damage limiting) tactic against Saints has become somewhat distorted.

Saints are strong favourites to win because of the whole range of skills and abilities they can bring to bear in the game.

I see Ian Millward is tipping Saints to cover the 18 point start.

i think it will be close and i've got a funny feeling the boys are going to nic it.

Saints by 20.

saints by 14

going forwards probably, going back he is slower than Wellens

fozzard stronger than Graham

fozzard is an average prop, tough and a bit of grunt but thats it

Graham is a world class player, one of very few we have, the only aspect of the game fozzard excels in is leading with the elbow and raising his knees into the tackle

Think thats twice now, what a fool lol

This could take a while.

Wellens v Briscoe - Wellens is the bigger, Briscoe quicker
Gardner v Fox - Gardner is bigger, Fox possible quicker
Gidley v Walker - Walker on both (however still not fit to wipe Gidley's backside)
Gilmour v Webster - Webster is bigger, Gilmour far, far quicker
Armstrong v Colbon - Similar size, Colbon is as slow as a tax rebate
Long v Dobson - Long bigger, Dobson probably quicker due to Longs age
Eastmond v l'Anson - Eastmond quicker, don't know on size, don't know who HKR one is!
Graham v Fozzard - Graham on both
Cunningham v Fitzhenry - not worth debating, Cunningham is royalty
Hargreaves v Aizue - Aizue on both (I think)
Clough v Galea - God knows
Puletua v Newton - size Puletua, speed Puletua
Wilkin v Murrell - God knows

Roby v Fisher - Roby on speed, similar size
Frodsham v Netherton - Frodsham is massive for his age and fairly quick
Fa'asavalu v Lovegrove - Faas on both
Wheeler v Cockayne - Cockayne is rubbish so not interested



In summary, HKR are made up of of a few overrated foreigners, a couple of Wigan rejects and a couple of blokes I have never heard of.

Saints by plenty, by miles even!