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| Quote ="pmh"eusa_wall.gif About two flipping years ago, and despite me saying it on numerous occasions people still reply to them as if it's one real poster.'"
I'm confused now is cab man not real ![DOH icon_biggrin.gifOH:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_doh.gif)
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| Quote ="gingerspice"I'm confused now is cab man not real
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| Quote ="pmh"I despair.'"
Well how do I blooming well know
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Well how do I blooming well know'"
In future, pm me these questions. It'll make both of look better.
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| Quote ="pmh"In future, pm me these questions. It'll make both of look better.'"
Ok ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif) so who is he then
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| Quote ="pmh"You can say what you like for me, the sillier the better (I'm not saying you're silly btw) but we've had more than our fair share of fans of other clubs masquerading as Rovers fans just to stir things up, see "cab plank" for reference.
I'll believe you for now.'"
Thanks for that i'm HKR through and through,number plate and all,first game when i was 6(now in 40's)it's just really painful to watch us going backwards at the minute with no real signs of a turnround in sight.I do beleive though we have quite a few players at the club who have overacheived and are now getting found out and we need to be honest about that.
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| Quote ="chas1hkr"Thanks for that i'm HKR through and through,number plate and all,first game when i was 6(now in 40's)it's just really painful to watch us going backwards at the minute with no real signs of a turnround in sight.I do beleive though we have quite a few players at the club who have overacheived and are now getting found out and we need to be honest about that.'"
No need to thank me, sorry for the earlier attitude, you shouldn't have to prove your self to anyone on here.
I can see where you're coming from, but I genuinely feel that after five years of continual improvement that Morgan has earned a bad season. If we're in this position, this time next year then that would be a major problem. However, Morgan has shaped the playing side of the club from top to bottom so if he does go/we were to get rid then it would take a complete and utter overhaul of that side of the club. Everything would have to change and that doesn't happen overnight. We'd effectively have to write off this season, next season and the season after that. I've seen some really terrible Rovers teams over the years but attendances would be hugely affected by that with all the (welcome in my eyes, apart from when they're standing in my spot, obviously!) new comers.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but the club needs to be a position to finance itself.
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| Quote ="pmh"No need to thank me, sorry for the earlier attitude, you shouldn't have to prove your self to anyone on here.
I can see where you're coming from, but I genuinely feel that after five years of continual improvement that Morgan has earned a bad season. If we're in this position, this time next year then that would be a major problem. However, Morgan has shaped the playing side of the club from top to bottom so if he does go/we were to get rid then it would take a complete and utter overhaul of that side of the club. Everything would have to change and that doesn't happen overnight. We'd effectively have to write off this season, next season and the season after that. I've seen some really terrible Rovers teams over the years but attendances would be hugely affected by that with all the (welcome in my eyes, apart from when they're standing in my spot, obviously!) new comers.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but the club needs to be a position to finance itself.'" Tony Smith didn't need to give warrington a major overhaul when he replaced Cullen (Via a certain dirty hooker).
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Tony Smith didn't need to give warrington a major overhaul when he replaced Cullen (Via a certain dirty hooker).'"
They had a much, much better squad than we currently have.
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| Quote ="pmh"No need to thank me, sorry for the earlier attitude, you shouldn't have to prove your self to anyone on here.
I can see where you're coming from, but I genuinely feel that after five years of continual improvement that Morgan has earned a bad season. If we're in this position, this time next year then that would be a major problem. However, Morgan has shaped the playing side of the club from top to bottom so if he does go/we were to get rid then it would take a complete and utter overhaul of that side of the club. Everything would have to change and that doesn't happen overnight. We'd effectively have to write off this season, next season and the season after that. I've seen some really terrible Rovers teams over the years but attendances would be hugely affected by that with all the (welcome in my eyes, apart from when they're standing in my spot, obviously!) new comers.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but the club needs to be a position to finance itself.'"
What is the actual alternative pmh...you really think that JM can overturn all evidence and get the current squad to challenge the top four or five..??? He assembled the squad at his own free will , incorrectly in my view , and must stand or fall by that......if we continue with the current modus operandi we will be competing with the likes of (no disrespect intended) Wakefield, Bradford, Salford etc for some time to come..no real chance of ever winning things but getting the odd good few results...(and despite the result against a poor Hull side in the play off match, last season was not an improvement on the prior season in any shape...so not really "five years of continual improvement"..more like four then two backwards )..
It really depends on the mid to long term ambitions of the club but short term pain for long term gain may be the only answer...
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| still baffling how nev gets in the 17 ahead of others, i can deal with him being a back up player who doesn't let you down and is cheap and home grown/fed or whatever it is this week, but he's a blue eyed boy and i dont get it.
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| Quote ="phleastyler"still baffling how nev gets in the 17 ahead of others, i can deal with him being a back up player who doesn't let you down and is cheap and home grown/fed or whatever it is this week, but he's a blue eyed boy and i dont get it.'"
I think he's actually got green eyes ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif) I know were Ur coming from we do have better players out there, I don't get Morgans squad rotation thing ok over the Easter holidays but why play Ur oldest player for all 3 games knacker him out and rotate the rest, and he needs to stop playing hodgson in the 2nd row he is not meant to play there, the hookers are more affective been spelled, I would start with Josh then bring fisher on, let's hope morgs gets it right this weekend.
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| Quote ="Larry Billey"What is the actual alternative pmh...you really think that JM can overturn all evidence and get the current squad to challenge the top four or five..??? He assembled the squad at his own free will , incorrectly in my view , and must stand or fall by that......if we continue with the current modus operandi we will be competing with the likes of (no disrespect intended) Wakefield, Bradford, Salford etc for some time to come..no real chance of ever winning things but getting the odd good few results...(and despite the result against a poor Hull side in the play off match, last season was not an improvement on the prior season in any shape...so not really "five years of continual improvement"..more like four then two backwards )..
It really depends on the mid to long term ambitions of the club but short term pain for long term gain may be the only answer...'"
I can see your point but I don't think it's time to be calling for Morgans head just yet, he still has 'too many runs on the board' for us to turn on him after one bad half of a season but this may be a wake up call for him and the fans that we aren't the world beaters we maybe thought we were.
This period will make or break JM, if he can turn this around and get us on track it will make him a far better coach for it, you learn far more about someone in difficult times than you do in good times.
I think Morgans got a year to turn it around. He needs to improve this season, recruitment needs to be around the current failings and then IF he doesn;t improve by this time next year then the real questions need asking.
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| Quote ="Larry Billey"What is the actual alternative pmh...you really think that JM can overturn all evidence and get the current squad to challenge the top four or five..??? '"
No. We do not have the quality in the squad for a top four finish.
Quote ="Larry Billey"He assembled the squad at his own free will , incorrectly in my view , and must stand or fall by that......if we continue with the current modus operandi we will be competing with the likes of (no disrespect intended) Wakefield, Bradford, Salford etc for some time to come..no real chance of ever winning things but getting the odd good few results.'"
He did, but with the club in the position that it is/was, who else was available? We've not won anything for nearly thirty years, we're not flush with cash, our coach is not known in Australia. we're not in a position to be signing the top players.
I forget who other clubs have signed in similar positions, I suppose the really big glaring error of this off season is that both us and Huddersfield were apparently in for Mason, we got him and they got O'Donnell, probably for a lot less.
You're far more clued up on this sort of thing than me but we appear to have severely limited our selves by only dealing (more or less) with Riolo in Australia and Howes over here. Why/how did this happen?
I whole heartedly think that we'll never challenge for as long as we rely on signing a whole team (Be they Antipodeans or whoever) and that you have to have a production line of your own talent and then use signings to cherry pick marquee players for specialist roles.
Has Morgan done enough to recruit and develop a new generation of talent quick enough? I don't know enough about the inner workings of the club to answer that, but from time to time people who appear to have some sort of inside track have been quite critical on here.
Quote ="Larry Billey"(and despite the result against a poor Hull side in the play off match, last season was not an improvement on the prior season in any shape...so not really "five years of continual improvement"..more like four then two backwards )..
It really depends on the mid to long term ambitions of the club but short term pain for long term gain may be the only answer...'"
For me, 2009 was a bit of a fluke. In those first seasons we seemed to do a pre season that was geared to coming out of the blocks quickly and getting points on the board and then try to hold on as long as we could. That combined with other teams having awful seasons led to us being in a bit of a false position. Last season we seemed to be looking to gradually aim to peak for the end of the season which we sort of did. This season has obviously gone badly wrong. If we're in this position this time next year then I think that wholesale changes would be absolutely imperative.
Bit of a rambling post that, which I haven't really read back. I'm sure it's a bit inconsistent so feel free to pick it to bits! It's good to be having some proper thought out debate on here.
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| Its taken him long enough to realise something has to change!!!!
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| Quote ="pmh"For me, 2009 was a bit of a fluke. In those first seasons we seemed to do a pre season that was geared to coming out of the blocks quickly and getting points on the board and then try to hold on as long as we could. That combined with other teams having awful seasons led to us being in a bit of a false position. Last season we seemed to be looking to gradually aim to peak for the end of the season which we sort of did. This season has obviously gone badly wrong. If we're in this position this time next year then I think that wholesale changes would be absolutely imperative.
Bit of a rambling post that, which I haven't really read back. I'm sure it's a bit inconsistent so feel free to pick it to bits! It's good to be having some proper thought out debate on here.'"
I don't think 2009 was a case of overachieving or a fluke. Over the course of a season the results don't lie. We had a really good 27-round season but then ran out of steam in the play-offs. Other teams might have been disappointed to finish behind us, but they did - because Rovers were better than them.
However the flipside of that is that our current travails are not just down to bad luck - just as we were quite good back then, we're now quite poor.
So what went wrong? There is tendency amongst sports fans to bounce between the extremes of seeing their team as brilliant or poop. And it only takes a few extra errors, dips in performance etc to move you to the other side of the fulcrum. The fulcrum itself moves over time reflecting what is a par score for the relative quality of your team. In 2009 we were on the upswing, now we've hit the down cycle, IMO. It was unlikely ever to be a direct and triumphal march to ever greater success. Some Hull fans thought similarly in the middle of the last decade and we've maybe fallen in to the same trap. The trick is to halt and reverse the trend - whether with drastic action or a firm hand on the tiller. IMO the latter looks the better bet.
Most cliches - EVER!
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| You've had injuries to key players. In the past you've had very good continuity in your halves which determine the team's personality whereas this season it's been more difficult. You haven't had your best forward, Newton, available for much of the time. The off field stuff can't have helped either. Your back three has also been affected with injury and just basically loss of form (Fox in particular). These things in combination conspire against you, particularly when squad depth in terms of quality isn't that deep.
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| Quote ="nick hkr"Not quite sure where you get that from out of the post I put? Justin and Rhys get on fine, in fact better than most people get on with their bosses I'd assume. As for Rhys and I, we enjoyed a cuppa while watching the Hull/Saints game after he'd left the fun day, discussing the finer things in life away from the game! Plus he's got to start performing soon he has to impress Mummy 'Oyster Bay' Lovegrove during June!!!!!
As for the Liam Watts comment, I was told (and not by Rhys before you say it!!) he is concentrating on making yards rather than looking for an offload at the moment and trying to get better at that part of his game. It has obviously stifled his natural game and for the good of this side I hope Justin is encouraging him to look for the offload once again. Saying this an unconfident team is not likely to be in support so a vicious circle the players themselves are going to have to get out of.
So Jase Netherton has performed solidly this season making only one error in 9 games, giving away 4 penalties and only missing 11 tackles yet making 211. Ok he could make more carries and meters but that isn't why he is in the team, it isn't his natural game. If all our forwards were top meter makers but not great defenders like say Wheeldon we'd be stuffed when it came to doing the dirty work.
If we compare the stats to Vella's who has played equal amount of games and considering he is an Australian international who is a more all round prop forward he is making a lot more carries but only a couple of hundred more meters in those extra 29 carries. He has made more errors, given away more penalties and missed more tackles. I am sure he has played more minutes than Jase too.
I am not saying Jase is anywhere near the standard of Mick Vella, that would be stupid, what I am saying is both are there to do a job. If your job was to sell cars you wouldn't be expected to service and MOT them, the same applies to players going out on the field.'"
Quote ="Roverswall"So come on then name me another player in a top team (This is what we are aiming to be) that is in the side for their tackling only?
I think you will be having a long look trying to find one.
I have given out stats before that Netherton makes 1 offload every 10 games give or take a 0.02 chance.
He makes a tackle break every 0.43 games.
He wouldn't get anywhere near another good SL side.
You keep defending him if you want but the fact he constantly gets in the side of HKR proves one thing at least.
He is exactly the type of player JM wants (No flair and hardworking).
He is also a great example of why teams seem to have figured us out because we are a one trick pony.'" I will take your lack of a responce to mean that I am correct and you can indeed not find another player like this at a top club.
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| Quote ="rover49"The problem is, fans who have limited knowledge of the finer points want a team of Dobbo's, the don't get it that all teams need players like Nev, who just get stuck in doing the 'dirty work' as you alluded to. Nev gets through an enormous amount of work that allows the more 'glamerous' players to do the fancy stuff. I know he will never score a 50 mtr try or break several tackles to offload to a speedster, but I bet if you asked the rest of the squad (those that understand the game) the value of Nev to the team, they will all give their 100% backing. I think he will get a new deal, because he is a no nonsense grafter, who can be relied on when the going gets tough, plus he doesn't cost a fortune so he can easily be fitted into the squad.
If we let him go, another club WILL pick him up, for the reasons already raised.'" You don't seem able to supply me with a name either.
How very strange.
Maybe he Isn't as 'needed' as it is made out after all.
That being the case I would class Jason Netherton (Nothing personal Jason mate honest) as a classic example of the kind of player that his holding us back.
Makes you wonder.
Strangely enough I asked a similar question on the 'other' board and I was greeted with the same wall of silence on there as well!! ![THINK eusa_think.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_think.gif)
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| Korkidis at Wakey, he's rubbish.
Edit; Actually, just had a look at his stats. He's miles better than Netherton! ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) The hunt continues!
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| Nope, just had a very quick trawl through the squads and stats and all I've concluded is that Netherton has better hair than Karl "Cheese N" Temata and has missed nearly three times as many tackles as Ewan "Rubbish" Dowes.
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| Quote ="pmh"Korkidis at Wakey, he's rubbish.
Edit; Actually, just had a look at his stats. He's miles better than Netherton!
The hunt continues!'"
Quote ="pmh"Nope, just had a very quick trawl through the squads and stats and all I've concluded is that Netherton has better hair than Karl "Cheese N" Temata and has missed nearly three times as many tackles as Ewan "Rubbish" Dowes.'" With the greatest of respect to Wakey, Crusaders and FC I did say top teams (Something we aim to be apparently).
Before anyone says it no this isn't a thinly veiled attack on Hull FC.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"With the greatest of respect to Wakey, Crusaders and FC I did say top teams (Something we aim to be apparently).
Before anyone says it no this isn't a thinly veiled attack on Hull FC.'"
There isn't anyone. I like Netherton but I think we can now safely conclude that he's just not good enough.
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Ok
so who [is he then'"
I think "are they" should be put there.
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