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[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "Whether its good or bad the deal is done and life goes on.
However, its the implications of the deal which concern me. A top 4 club come knocking on the door for one of our prized assets, and what does the club do? They don't put up a NO sign (as they did when Leeds came knocking for Welham). What type of signal does that send out? To me it is either one of 2; Rovers need the money or Rovers are a selling club. Both of these are uncomfortable IMO.
Don't forget, it was seen as a major coup to tie both Blake and Dobbo to long term contracts. They were heralded as the dream partnership. Less than a year later and that dream is in bits without a fight to save it.
Don't also overlook the apparent stampede for Scott Taylor (FC, Warry & Leeds) - in some quarters there's a belief the time is ripe to sell rather than let him see out his contract - and even Dobbo is said to be available subject to offers (albeit rumour).
Its all well and good for NH to lay the blame with agents (unsettling players) but the club can pull the rug, yet they haven't. . .'"
Or they believe Burns is a better player than Green?
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| Depends what the player themselves wants to do. Did Welham want to go to Leeds or did he see his progress better matched at Rovers at the moment?
If Wigan come knocking and Greem wants to and has a release clause that can be triggered next year then get the 100K is the right decision for me.
Doesn't necessarily mean we're a selling club, but what we certainly aren't is a buying club and at the moment Wigan, Hull and Warrington are.
If Sandercock wasn't happy with Burns as a replacement or indeed if he wasn't available then perhaps we would have said no.
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| Quote: Sheldon "Or they believe Burns is a better player than Green?'"
Perhaps, although I don't buy into that line of argument. There's more to it than that.
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| From what I have seen of Burns this looks like a good deal to me, the kid is tough as old boots and has the skill of a good SL half back.
Time will tell of course, but I feel we have done okay on this one.
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23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
Regards,
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "Perhaps, although I don't buy into that line of argument. There's more to it than that.'"
Why? Why does their always have to be a conspiracy?
I read on hear, so I'm happy to be corrected, that NH is spending full cap this season but planning on spending 1.2m next season.
Have you seen your ins and outs?
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| Quote: Sheldon "Why? Why does their always have to be a conspiracy?
I read on hear, so I'm happy to be corrected, that NH is spending full cap this season but planning on spending 1.2m next season.
Have you seen your ins and outs?'"
I don't think he actually said that, only that, in effect, we only had 1.2M worth this year based on long term injuries to 4 of the top 5 earners at the club. When moving onto next season, he intimated we wouldn't operate at full cap, but didn't mention a figure.
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| Hall at six, Burns at loose, Lovegrove to go back to being a full time prop for Fatty Fatty Moob Man, job done.
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "Whether its good or bad the deal is done and life goes on.
However, its the implications of the deal which concern me. A top 4 club come knocking on the door for one of our prized assets, and what does the club do? They don't put up a NO sign (as they did when Leeds came knocking for Welham). What type of signal does that send out? To me it is either one of 2; Rovers need the money or Rovers are a selling club. Both of these are uncomfortable IMO.
Don't forget, it was seen as a major coup to tie both Blake and Dobbo to long term contracts. They were heralded as the dream partnership. Less than a year later and that dream is in bits without a fight to save it.
Don't also overlook the apparent stampede for Scott Taylor (FC, Warry & Leeds) - in some quarters there's a belief the time is ripe to sell rather than let him see out his contract - and even Dobbo is said to be available subject to offers (albeit rumour).
Its all well and good for NH to lay the blame with agents (unsettling players) but the club can pull the rug, yet they haven't. . .'"
We've come a long way, but we aren't as inherently strong as Leeds or Wigan and although our backers have been great for the club, their pockets aren't as deep as a McManus or a Moran. The reality of our situation may be uncomfortable, but it's a lot better than it used to be (so I'm told ) and when you look at certain other SL clubs at the moment, I'm happy to count our blessings.
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| i think its common knowledge rovers are skint,as are a lot of other teams,hence selling their crown jewels, burns could turn out to be a good signing time will tell but he comes with a lot of baggage,
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23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
Regards,
Matthew[/quote:3e09qe5x]:23521.jpg |
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| Quote: SirStan "I don't think he actually said that, only that, in effect, we only had 1.2M worth this year based on long term injuries to 4 of the top 5 earners at the club. When moving onto next season, he intimated we wouldn't operate at full cap, but didn't mention a figure.'"
Cheers Stan, I knew I shouldn't believe ever thing I read on here.
Even so Hkr's recruitment has been good, Gleeson, Burns, Tuimavave, Paterson in for Webster, Green, Clinton and Galea gives you players on the field instead of on the treatment table.
If your replacing McDonnell, Murrell and Watts with Sherriff, Petersen and Green then it's a slight dip in quality to begin with but the savings secure your future.
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Depends what the player themselves wants to do. Did Welham want to go to Leeds or did he see his progress better matched at Rovers at the moment?
If Wigan come knocking and Greem wants to and has a release clause that can be triggered next year then get the 100K is the right decision for me.
Doesn't necessarily mean we're a selling club, but what we certainly aren't is a buying club and at the moment Wigan, Hull and Warrington are.
If Sandercock wasn't happy with Burns as a replacement or indeed if he wasn't available then perhaps we would have said no.'"
I agree, there are many factors at play and yes the players do have a say, and perhaps Rovers have tried to persuade Blake to stay, but we won't know until the club make an official announcement. Mind you, I fully expect a statement which follows the lines of unsettled player blah blah!
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "Perhaps, although I don't buy into that line of argument. There's more to it than that.'"
You will find that that is exactly the coaches line of thinking. And i totally agree with him on this one.
Burns is the sort of aggressive player Rovers have not had for many a year. As the best Rovers team of all time had this in abundance, as do the Wigans and Warringtons of this world , i welcome the move in this direction.
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| Quote: Sheldon "Cheers Stan, I knew I shouldn't believe ever thing I read on here.
Even so Hkr's recruitment has been good, Gleeson, Burns, Tuimavave, Paterson in for Webster, Green, Clinton and Galea gives you players on the field instead of on the treatment table.
If your replacing McDonnell, Murrell and Watts with Sherriff, Petersen and Green then it's a slight dip in quality to begin with but the savings secure your future.'"
Sherriff has been as good if not better than McDonnell, and he will only get better next season, I would give him the No 1 shirt next season.
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23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
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| Quote: FONT "Sherriff has been as good if not better than McDonnell, and he will only get better next season, I would give him the No 1 shirt next season.'"
I'd disagree on the first part. But my point stands.
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| Quote: Sheldon "Cheers Stan, I knew I shouldn't believe ever thing I read on here.
Even so Hkr's recruitment has been good, Gleeson, Burns, Tuimavave, Paterson in for Webster, Green, Clinton and Galea gives you players on the field instead of on the treatment table.
If your replacing McDonnell, Murrell and Watts with Sherriff, Petersen and Green then it's a slight dip in quality to begin with but the savings secure your future.'"
I tend to work from the other end - beliveving nothing I read on here is my start point.
In theory, we should have less occupancy in the treatment room, but professional sport isn't so easy to predict and any of the new signings could miss a shed load of games. Green & Galea have just been unlucky this year, whereas Webster & Clinton have just carried on from where they left off last season - either injured or (and I'm being kind here) not giving value for money.
I like the idea of replacing the last 3 with home grown, its a sign of genuine progress at last on this front. With sufficient game time, they could be exceeding the quality of the departing players before we reach mid-point of the 2013 season.
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