I'd also be interested to hear of a RL match in which the losing team scored 30 points and was beaten by no less than 16 penalty kicks and a drop goal. Or was it an even greater drop goal fest dayvoz?

Here,here

i know its unlikely but possible and just a weird reason for wanting England RU to lose but hey some on here wanted them to lose because they are "posh"

Can't see why anyone would actually want their own country to lose at anything. More likely to result in union sides throwing big money at our better players too.

Wonder how much influence mike ford has on things?

there are certainly less tries scored in union since they started using RL defence[say it the american way for affect]coaches

Deee

I remember reading an article about Edwards 'ruining' their game with such methods

I should like union as my dad played it and I was brought up watching it in the times of the Williams brothers, Gareth Edwards, Phil Bennett, Serge Blanco etc, but if we hadn't cremated him, my dad would be spinning in his grave with the way it's played now.

No effort to score tries and too much rolling on the floor for my liking. On the basis that you're allowed to carry the ball and run, I still can't work out why they actually don't

I hate Union. Get the ball "oh no, what should I do? Oh yes, I'll kick it back to them".

WTF? Get the ball and run. they wont expect it. lol.

I played Union before I played league to a reasonable level, it was what my school did at the time.

Years later I played in a Union sevens tournament with a league team. As I was the only one ever to play everyone looked to me for what to do.

In the end we decided to just run it all the time. First game we received the kick, I ran it back, no one tackled me, drew the full back and put my winger in under the posts.

It continued like that until we won the tournament.

We were clueless at line outs, but we had a great time pretending we had set plays. They were called "Marigold", "Buttercup" and "Daffodil". They didn't actually mean anything but they did achieve the aim of annoying all the Hymers types as we were obviously taking the michael with it.

LOL, Like it! I have no interest in watching a ball returned to the opponent at every opportunity. I'd watch Tennis if I did (which I wont).

Its just boring, long winded etc. The only good bit is the competing in the scrum, but even that can take 10 minutes to set up!

And as for Wilkinson, another David Beckham for me, take away his set peice specialities and there is nothing else to their games

looks like Joel Tomkins is going to union, like i said in my earlier post, England losing is bad, they'll want new options, which, unfortunately means trying to cherry pick available talent from League, the wolves are at the door and we are trying to fight them off with pea shooters. What we need in future is England doing well enough to make semis and finals but never winning and them thinking everything is rosey but they were just unlucky.

Hope they take his brothers too.