Interesting some people calling for JM to return?

I was always of the opinion that JM got the best out of what he had, even if he didnt have the best squad, that is a good MANAGER OF PEOPLE.

CS seems to have a poor squad and be a poor motivator (he does whine a lot) - the result is for all to see IMO.

Any team with Hall & G Horne in the side isnt that good, they were not good enough at FC yet Hall in particular is lauded amongst a lot of KR fans.

As an FC fan our problems at 7 continue to plague us, but it would seem to me KR are no better, if not worse than last year and 1 in 12 proves it. Losing Blake, Taylor & Watts and not replacing them in terms of quality is disaster.

You watch them do us in the derby though

Although there is a myth that the type of performance we saw last night didn't happen under Morgan it seems some people have extremely short memories. IIRC we capitulated numerous times, Wakefield did a worse comeback job on us a couple of years ago, 30 point turnaround in the last 15 mins that time as well. Under Morgan we got up for certain games, and I'll agree that he could at times motivate a team more that CS appears to be able to do but the last 18 months of his reign were shocking. We were dull, boring and defended equally as badly, the slope started then and CS has been unable to arrest the slide.

JM coming back would be a disaster and should not be considered, if CS goes then we need to have a plan that brings in a proven coach, we need foundations laying that gives us a platform to build on and get a plan to succeed.

Morgan had us tight knit, but I think some of the discipline issues that Sandercock inherited had been brewing for a while. It'd be ridiculous to go back so soon. Hall has done pretty well under difficult circumstances, but there does seem to be a blindness to his flaws and limitations in certain quarters. But he isn't particularly the problem more than anybody else. Less than most in fact.
For Green, we got Burns and we'll have to see how he goes. Taylor was a loss. It was no surprise to see Watts re-invigorated by his move to Hull - the same had happened after a couple of his previous scrapes, but it never lasted long. Even 2010 he ended getting dropped. He's still young-ish and might mature, but I'll be curious to see how he looks on returning from his current lay-off. We've got talented, erratic, penalty machine forwards covered right now, ta!

well said stan

Christ, [url=http://viewtopic.php?f=59&t=524322&tsmp=1361785753it’s like going back in time.[/url Appears certain posters just can’t wait to jump on the coach. That being said, they’re completely right, in half of what they say. We haven’t improved and CS has to take full responsibility for this. It’s simply isn’t good enough to continually throw away leads like we do. Our overall inability to defend our line. Questionable attitude/motivational problems. A complete lack of a game plan or at least one which the players actually follow. Discipline, if we can’t rely on our defence to keep out our opponents, then it has to be hammered home, don’t give away stupid penalties. Yet we do. Question marks in these areas just haven’t gone away, and if anything we’ve gradually got worse. All this falls @ CS’ door I’m afraid. I don’t think we’ll sack him after 4 games but if we’re being honest the performances aren’t suggesting he’s up to it. ‘Heavy sigh’

That steaming pile of frep served up last night though was horrible. I’m not gonna’ blame CS for that though – the players get that honour. Arrogant workshy/overconfident/lack of respect for the opposition freps they were. We should’a/could’a hammered what was a dismal Salford side. However, that dismal Salford side came back to post 24 unanswered points and win the game. Pathetic really and says it all. We’re nowhere near as good as we think we are. Just embarrassing. Oh how I wish we still had the presence of a Mick Vella down the middle.

I believe the last debacle of such magnitude was Warrington home (2011) and was the tipping point for a change. You have to think this was CS’ match last night. I’d assume the board will be reluctant to part ways with immediate effect, so he may have a couple of games to sort it. Given he’s been incapable of doing this from day one, it’s going to become a case of when not if.
Dead man walking.

I hope as fans we can rally round and support the team, but I feel the damge is done. There's a division within the ranks, nobody wins.

Great post Stan. The Webster thought crossed my mind, if no one with real experience was available then this would certainly be an option.

James Webster? Nice thought but the way we treated him at the end of his playing career, would he return in a coaching role?

Morgan? Not again I'm afraid. Hudgell gave him a good run and we hit 4th in the table (it seems many LONG years ago), but then all went downhill.

Noble? Interesting, but is he still SL quality these days?

Instead of all this, why not hire a specialist defensive coach to work alongside CS or maybe bring in someone like Noble as a Director of Football to help CS out?

One thing's for certain, if we're in the bottom four by Easter, those contract extension talks aren't going to happen with CS.

Not looking good for Sandercock, he's had since November 2011 to sort out the defence, two full pre seasons. It doesn't appear he can do it.

Noble is finished, talks a good gig and has a nice parka but his day has been and gone.

No way is Morgan going to be coming back.

My own choice (and who I thought we should have gone for last time) would be Keiron Purtill. He's worked under Mick Potter and Royce Simmons and is being highly influential in Huddersfields success. Maybe the offer of his first head coaches role would be enough to tempt him away from The Giants.

When the time come's for us to get a new coach,which will hopefully be sooner rather than too late, lets hope we will be picking them because of their rugby knowledge not psychmetric testing them like last time seeing that this method looks like a quick way to the bottom of the league!

here's one from left field. Young british and wouldnt take any crap from the players.

Mark Aston.

If we were to go down the lower division coach route then I'd prefer to do our shopping down Post Office Road.

I've heard on twitter of course Wayne Parker or lee Radford

You need to stay away from twitter ginge, that's twice now you have fallen for some B&W wind up!

It's not from a black and white tho stan

I think Lee Radford would be a really good shout do get in alongside sandercock would no doubt improve the defence and also frighten a few people to death which may give them the kick up the backside they need.

I doubt anybody has had a chance to plan that far ahead. If the axe did fall immediately (and personally I think that is unlikely) it'd be Chester as caretaker until we sorted something out.

Tbh, I'm holding out more in hope than expectation after last night. For me he didn't come into the season on his 'last life', so sacking him after 4 or 5 games looks a bit trigger happy. He's on that last life now though and I'm not sure he'd survive defeat at London - and he probably/certainly needs one of the two after that as well.

No room for sentiment in the decision, but it must have been even more horrible for him than for us, watching them chuck that away. At 50 minutes, it feels like we're maybe seeing a few (small) green shoots, half an hour later his career as a head coach is hanging by a thread. We'd get another coach and pick up the pieces, I doubt he'd get another chance. He seems a decent and genuine enough sort of guy, but this a brutal business.

We put with Agar for far too long. If the time is right, then the time is right.

sandy in sandy in

Exactly.
How long do you leave it ?

me , i would have sacked him at 8.15 last night.

It is tricky.

I am of the opinion that the coach (as long as he gets a fair crack of the whip) has to carry the can. I think Sandercock is pretty clueless looking from the sidelines. A lot can be gleaned from after match interviews, if you watch body language etc

However, you do have to feel for someone who has their job on the line, and is basically watching his players capitulate and show questionable commitment and attitude after the game is "won"

I personally believe those players bigger than the club, get sacked off into the reserves immediately. Under Agar, I would have gladly turned up to watch the academy players instead of some of the non commited dross we got served up.
Nutshell - IMO Sandercock has to go, AND some of the players need a right royal beasting

(HOpefully he stays all season from an FC perspective

)

I think he will turn it round personally and I hope he does

For me it's either drop mika until he learns some common sence or risk being sacked. Lost us the game mika with 2 daft errors that led to tries

dont know why your all suprised about sandercock everybody in the game including players laughed at his appointment, in Aussy no one could believe it, he had only coached at 20s level he was never even a number 2 one word springs to mind cheap simple , and why you got rid of morgan or can slag him is beyond me he always got your squad to over preform in just about every SL season he was a great coach and as much as we all hated him we wish we had him at the time how you managed to go all the way to aussy to get a 20s coach when Brian noble had just left Celtic and done a great job there and was desparate to get back in the game god only knows maybe like i said earlier it was the money

Agree with what you say their, Morgan was a desirable coach whilst at Rovers.

Using FC as an example, yes they persevered with Agar for far too long, but prior to that they chopped and changed far too regularly for a few years which meant a bunch of consecutive "settling in periods"
It's a dangerous game to play unless we were going to bring a pretty special replacement.