Surely the minute I hand over my hard earned money at the turnstile I've got every right to vent my frustration at poor performances, were 4 yrs into the magical 5yr club Doncaster plan and we've just finished 6th in the bottom division! how can any true fan be happy with this and not want some explanation?

How many times have they gone back to the drawing board?

Surely we have the right to complain, we are customers and the product being provided is sub-standard. If no one takes responsability then how can anything change ? Nobody needs to be sacked but when change is needed tough decisions have to be made, new things need to be tried otherwise the remaining faithful will get even more fed up and find other things to do on a sunday afternoon so your hardcore 500 supporters becomes 400 and so it goes on.
The current crop of players clearly aren't good enough so let's blame GT for that but he's gone so I expect RH will try to change things. I would have preferred to see Pete G given the job to the end of the season as there seemed to be a definite improvement both in style and attitude but the heirarchy panicked.

After the sacking of Thornton,a proper selection process by means of inviting applicants for the job, should have been followed. But instead the powers at be went for the easy and convenient option of appointing Horne which had the apparent benefits of dual registration players. Horne hasn't stopped the rot and because of the sham that is Club Doncaster I have doubts about him being given the backing to form a team capable of a push for promotion next season.However let's wait and see what happens between now and next February but it's going to take something special to get the missing supporters,including me,back through the turn styles.

Well we could all name a core that we would like to keep.
Which might be more tactful than saying who we would like rid of.

Will have a go later.

Meanwhile perhaps I could start a new thread to that effect.

I couldn't agree more.

What would sacking Carl Hall actually achieve? We'd have the same coach and we'd have the same Club Doncaster. You'd not noticeably see any difference as most of the work he does is behind the scenes work anyway - work that Club Doncaster are clearly happy with.

The club and Carl need to identify the weaknesses in our previous strategies, learn from those experiences, and put them right going forwards.

Carl has had 4yrs working with club Doncaster to put things right, surely there has to be a limit on how long we can put up with this?

Why is it then when companies are under achieving they appoint a new Chief Executive who come in with fresh ideas etc who's brief is to make the business successful.

How many more chances are you prepared to give him?He's had his chance in each of the last three seasons so what makes you think next season will be any different? I think you'll be sat at the top table with him at the next forum,either that or cleaning his shoes under the table.

Hally, the four year time period that you mentioned needs to be looked at more closely:

In 2014, we finished 4th in the Championship under PC. This was an excellent achievement no doubt brought about in no small part by Carl’s vision to bring Paul Cooke to the club in the first place.

In 2015, we chose to go down the route of youth, and it backfired. PC didn’t become a bad coach overnight but things didn’t work out. Believing it was necessary to bring someone new in, Carl replaced PC with Gary Thornton towards the end of 2015. Again this was quite a decisive move.

In 2016, GT put his first squad together and we eventually lost to Barrow in the play-off semi-finals. We’d not achieved our promotion goal but had started to rebuild after the relegation season.

Carl gave GT another chance in 2017 but when it was clear that things weren’t going to plan Carl took decisive action to remove GT and brought in Richard Horne.

This covers the four year time frame. Apart from appointing GT in the first place, what has Carl actually done wrong?

Explain your statement "the sham that is Club Doncaster".

As you appear unable to look up the definition of sham,here it is for you "a thing that is not what it is purported to be" and putting it into context it means Club Doncaster has no real intention of getting the Dons into Super League.Similarly you could apply the same to the Rovers where the intention to get back into the Championship is a pipe dream.Terry Bramhall at the head of Club Doncaster has the money to achieve both and I bet he's never seen a Dons game in his life.Come to think of it Baldwins only seen one as far as I know and that was when Carl Hall dragged him along. So there you are,another definition of sham "falsely presenting something as the truth" meaning really they appear to have no passion for the Dons at all.

They can hardly run the Rovers in a sensible fashion, never mind the Dons.
Yes I know they got promoted last year ... but made a pig's of finishing first when it was there for the taking and have made a below par start this time out.

It fills one with optimism ... it do.

Hope springs eternal and you have to have a dream. You have to strive to be the best.
However a hick place like Donny will only ever be average in the sporting world ... unpalatable as it may seem.
I don't know why we beat ourselves up about it.
The stay aways sussed that years ago.
So about 500 people like rugby and 6 or 7 thousand like football enough to pay to watch ... the rest have given up.

Nowt's gonna change apart from maybe downwards slowly.

Now where did I put those razor blades?

This thread brought to you by the Doncaster branch of Samaritans.

There's many of times this season around 4.50pm on a sunday leaving the keepmoat i've reached for that number!

Talking about the blame culture ... it is all Club Doncaster's fault.

There we were in a backwater of oblivion, relatively happy as pigs in sh/t being fed a diet of mediocrity.
Then up comes Club Doncaster with a plan for Super league, not in the next world but in this. Further to that in a relatively short time scale.

Needless to say our expectations are now raised.
We have a RIGHT to promotion, a RIGHT to Super league.
They have all but promised it after all.

This is why rage has increased ... let's call it Rovers rage.
lol

There appears to be a lack of anger within the Rovers players in the past few games that is for sure. Perhaps it should be Pussy Club Doncaster.

Club Doomcaster.

In what other line of work can you underachieve and fail to hit your targets year after year and still be employed? (apart from the tory government), we simply don't have the right people with the energy, drive and knowledge to make us a successful club.

Doncaster Free press Analysis Of The Season:

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That is pretty much how I would have written it ... only better of course.
lol

I am glad he didn't pussyfoot around Richard Horne's record,which I see as abysmal and I too feel that the fact we weren't thrashed in those MANY defeats has come to Horne's recue.
It is still an abysmal record though.
Without looking at the stats, I have a feeling that he did worse than the man who got the sack ... yet he survives.

...for the moment....

Did not look into player recruitment over the past few years .

We have to give RH a fair chance , lets see who we recruit for 2018.

I await with interest the replies to my statement , please remember it is my opinion .

Since Richard Horne took over we’ve won 4, drawn 1, and lost 7.

We’ve scored 320 points and conceded 242.

The losing margins have been: 1, 4, 4, 5, 8 ,10 ,and 12 points.

Well credit to you for having responded but I would say you are wrong on almost every count. Club Doncaster has every intention of seeing the Dons in Super League and the Rovers in the Championship and both Gavin Baldwin and Terry Bramall have said as much in the Meet the Owners evenings. The one factor in this that they can't control is performances on the pitch.

Terry Bramall (and the late Dick Watson) have been and are putting considerable sums of money into Club Doncaster though the eventual intention is for it to be able to generate sufficient income to be self-financing. Savings on the administration which I mentioned recently are one source of this but there are many other initiatives happening behind the scenes which are contributing. These include hiring out space (including car park space) to outside bodies; the full take-up of the outside pitches at the Keepmoat. (The demand for these is so great that more are to be provided.)