Quote: WirralViking "Neil he remains silent about actual numbers, but painted a gloomy picture of the impact of the drop in crowds last year saying that we suffered a six figure reduction in cash on season tickets (passes!) and a six figure reduction on ticket sales. The failure to get extra crowds through the gates really seems like our biggest problem. On the basis of what he said I am assuming that season ticket sales were down across the year by at least £100,000 and money through the turnstiles was down by another £100,000 (at least). Given that and the fine (which wasn't referred to at all last night), it is pretty remarkable that we managed to bring in Heremaia, Manuokafoa, Clarkson and Dudson and support all the rest of the infrastructure for the academy sides. The record breaker initiative, was generating plenty of interest with 2000 school children already signed up and the hope that there will be 4000 on the pitch. Hopefully there will be enough interest to take up their tickets for the Wigan game (West Stand?). Lets hope the weather doesn't spoil things!'" Well I am really surprised we have managed to bring in those 4 players too if those six figure amounts are true, no reason not to believe them. £100,000+ lost on season passes last year equates to about 400 not resigning at an average price of £250 each pass, that's a lot. Our average was down circa 400 per game so at £20 per ticket x 13 games (league matches) = £104,000 lost. 400 lost season passes is unbelievable for me if we have 3,000+ holders a reduction of over 10% is mental considering how well we did. Must be so soul destroying for the people running the club to see this. James Rule on Merseyside Try Time last night confirms above, listen via link below Widnes first part of the programme. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02gvff8#auto

Quote: WirralViking "Neil he remains silent about actual numbers, but painted a gloomy picture of the impact of the drop in crowds last year saying that we suffered a six figure reduction in cash on season tickets (passes!) and a six figure reduction on ticket sales. The failure to get extra crowds through the gates really seems like our biggest problem. On the basis of what he said I am assuming that season ticket sales were down across the year by at least £100,000 and money through the turnstiles was down by another £100,000 (at least). Given that and the fine (which wasn't referred to at all last night), it is pretty remarkable that we managed to bring in Heremaia, Manuokafoa, Clarkson and Dudson and support all the rest of the infrastructure for the academy sides. The record breaker initiative, was generating plenty of interest with 2000 school children already signed up and the hope that there will be 4000 on the pitch. Hopefully there will be enough interest to take up their tickets for the Wigan game (West Stand?). Lets hope the weather doesn't spoil things!'" Well I am really surprised we have managed to bring in those 4 players too if those six figure amounts are true, no reason not to believe them. £100,000+ lost on season passes last year equates to about 400 not resigning at an average price of £250 each pass, that's a lot. Our average was down circa 400 per game so at £20 per ticket x 13 games (league matches) = £104,000 lost. 400 lost season passes is unbelievable for me if we have 3,000+ holders a reduction of over 10% is mental considering how well we did. Must be so soul destroying for the people running the club to see this. James Rule on Merseyside Try Time last night confirms above, listen via link below Widnes first part of the programme. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02gvff8#auto

IIRC Sky money went up for this year plus of course we have released players.

Hopefully the majority who have not renewed will continue their support and attend games.One reason for the drop is games being played Thursday Friday and Sunday.People can't plan ahead.

This could be the reason guess we will never know, likewise it could be the reason an extra 500+ have bought SH because we have switched to mainly Sunday matches (Sky pick aside). Let hope we can do as well if not better than last season, Final and top 4/6 maybe (lots of fingers crossed for this one!) and our average over the full season can edge to or break the 6,500 barrier. I feel it need to if we are continue our year on year improvement as the extra money helps to retain players both experienced and youth and also can aid in signing the better quality players to improve the squad as people leave or are released.

Bring on Thursday COYV.

Just seems unlikely that hundreds of people can go from season ticket holders one year to not interested at all the next,all at the same time.A couple of dozen maybe. There must be a common denominator and no regular match day is it I reckon.That goes for all clubs of course.

Well I have had a family tickets for the past 3 yrs but because of the change in format of the SH, the big increase in price for me and 2 kids tickets (family ticket) added to the fact the kids don't want to go every week I chose to just get Adult ticket this year for me and will take kids a couple of times should they want to go. Will this from the clubs perspective but noted as two lost SH'ers? But I have never been contacted and asked why not a family ticket anymore.

I also know of 3 people who are not renewing this year from last year for different reasons, not sure can make matches every round, another gets free tickets so no need to buy a SH.

I too questioned the number being in the hundreds, it does seem a lot from one season to the next.