We lost it around the ruck, they were too quick for us in possession using their backs to carry it forward early in the tackle count. When they were defending they slowed every play of the ball just the right amount not to get penalised. When we tried the same we weren't subtle enough and it cost us. They were just a bit smarter than us.

Well here's the thoughts of some obviously unbiased aussies ..... from 15 mins ish https://soundcloud.com/sportalcomau/nrl ... 13-round-8

Well here's the thoughts of some obviously unbiased aussies ..... from 15 mins ish https://soundcloud.com/sportalcomau/nrl ... 13-round-8

I've been keeping an eye on the number of quick PTBs we are forcing and we are conceding this season. Our control of the ruck is absolutely shocking and we're not going to win many games until this happens. Betts has to address his players winning the floor both in attack and defence.

If you look at missed tackles alone - its not that bad.

I hate admitting it but the best team won, as they did when we played Cas too. Its so frustrating because its two games that we could have won. We manage to be competitive and then just totally switch off.

Brown was trying too hard for me and his kicking wasn't up to scratch.

Its no good in beating Warrington and Hull then losing Cas and Wakefield. We'd be sat comfortably in 8th place now but think have seriously blown the opportunity to bridge the gap thats creating with the top 8.

With Saints injuries we have a chance tomorrow night but they still have some classy players and with our turn style defence it may be a tough game

Your turn style defence will be safe with our old slow creative deadend fullback at standoff