Another game against the Aussies,another defeat.Surely after all these years without a series win the game in this country is going nowhere.Please don't say we are getting closer,we aren't.The Aussie players are bigger,faster,stronger and more tactically aware than our players.We think we are watching a decent standard in Super League,this proves we are not.After every defeat against the old enemy we get the same old soundbites,they have more playing the game in Aus,it's their national sport,training conditions are better and on and on.Our record against the Aussies is disgraceful,what other sport has a history of defeats like this spreading back over 40 years.I like our game as much as the next person but international games really show just how (good) we are.

I don't know what your point is?

Agree Dabhand, we really should have blooded Gaskell and Lomax in this tournament, Tomkins is wasted at 1, like us at FC the 6 and 7 pivotal roles are so important and we've lacked them for 6 yrs now, Chase and Sinfield v Thurston and Lockyer, just no contest, another ageing pack too, well beaten, and i know its not Westwoods fault, but a 13??

Lomax was Injured.

Think we are on the same wavelength. Injuries or not we never seem to have a long term strategy.

Fair do's, but they're the type of players we need to be bringing on now,before the Union boys grab them

Is it just me or is graham a bit overrated, i know he puts in alot if minutes but goin forward he just seems to hit the first man and fall to the ground, which may mean he gets a quick ptb at saints but at international level it doesnt work

graham is overated but also the more briscoe plays in same team as ryan hall you realise how average he is

Not really,considering Sinfield concentrates on looking for Hall all game.

Disagree totally about the two wingers comment. One [Hall] is a great finisher who is safe and reliable [normally, apart from his brain fart last night] coming out of his own 20. The other [Briscoe] is a good finisher but brilliant at releiving pressure off the team and the forwards when coming out of his own 20. Nearly everytime he leaves people on the floor with 1 square marker or gets a penalty.

I am not saying one is better than the other but to say Briscoe is bang average compared to Hall is just silly.

Maybe we're just crap at sport in this country, we dont have a winning mentality here & are taught growing up that its the taking part that counts .

I know its a different sport but look at English football, its our national sport, we have one of the best leagues in the world yet haven't won a major competition for the last 45 years.

not really look against the aussies he bombed 2 tries which hall would have taken and he was caught by a 2nd row last week when he should have scored i agree he does relieve pressure off the line well though

Briscoe had a torrid time last night for all sorts of reasons but he's far better than average and is one of the best 2 wingers in England. hall has the edge and had a good tournament but Briscoe will learn. thought both him and hall were as good as uate who just happened to be in a good team.

Graham is certainly not over-rated, top quality prop! Not many of our players could make the Aussie line up but I certainly think Graham could be one of them.