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| Not as black and white (pun intended) as that.
Yeaman has played over 300? games at first team level for Hull plus quite a few international games as well.
We should expect more from him then from Arundel who is still young and learning the game.
Its how you respond and react to these game changing moments which define how a player will be classed.
Ben Crooks is already showing signs that he is better aware then Yeaman and Arundel may well have similar qualities.
That said this is not a pop at Yeaman who I think is a top quality SL player but more a realisation that if his high standards are not maintained then a spell not in the first team may follow.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "I've not seen the Yeaman no pass incident but one thing's for sure regardless of which player it is to go to the next level we have to make sure we convert chances like that one if we want to ruthlessly beat top teams. All of the players should watch it and learn from it because it's those chances which can be the difference between success and failure.'"
In that case, I wonder who's going to start the thread bemoaning Holdsworth dropping the ball cold with the try line open. Infinitely worse error than Yeamo's.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "In that case, I wonder who's going to start the thread bemoaning Holdsworth dropping the ball cold with the try line open. Infinitely worse error than Yeamo's.'"
Big difference. Every player is going to make that kind of mistake at some time - Yeamans was not a physical error but more a choice error if that makes sense?!?!?!
Last week at Magic Kirk dropped one cold with the line begging - happens. Same happened with Hornes pass to Crooks.
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| Quote: knocker norton "Not as black and white (pun intended) as that.
Yeaman has played over 300? games at first team level for Hull plus quite a few international games as well.
We should expect more from him then from Arundel who is still young and learning the game.
Its how you respond and react to these game changing moments which define how a player will be classed.
Ben Crooks is already showing signs that he is better aware then Yeaman and Arundel may well have similar qualities.
That said this is not a pop at Yeaman who I think is a top quality SL player but more a realisation that if his high standards are not maintained then a spell not in the first team may follow.'"
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| Quote: knocker norton "Big difference. Every player is going to make that kind of mistake at some time - Yeamans was not a physical error but more a choice error if that makes sense?!?!?!
Last week at Magic Kirk dropped one cold with the line begging - happens. Same happened with Hornes pass to Crooks.'"
But it was an error in isolation, Yeaman was outstanding defensively covering Briscoe, and did his work carting the ball out. Nobody wants to praise his pace to get round the outside of his opposite number and make a 50m break, instead slating him for backing that same pace in the next phase.
Yeaman not passing is not a big thing for me, and his winger hasn't really suffered as he's got a better than 1 in 2 ratio as well.
If Yeaman was as greedy and didn't have the conversion rate he does then maybe it would be a problem.
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "The sad thing is, it's not a one off.
If Crooks had made the break and not passed, you could put it down to inexperience. Yeaman doesn't have that excuse.
For all the good defensive work h does at times his attacking play is too self centred. It's hardly a surprise that Tom Briscow started looking else where.'"
Ah,so its all down to Yeaman that Briscoe wants to go?
You learn something every day.
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| I dont normally subscribe to the Yeaman being greedy theory, usually I think its a lack of awareness/confidence/ability but last night I do think he went for personal glory which thankfully didnt end up costing us. Having said that we bombed several other try scoring opportunities that we need to be converting if we want to win something.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "But it was an error in isolation, Yeaman was outstanding defensively covering Briscoe, and did his work carting the ball out. Nobody wants to praise his pace to get round the outside of his opposite number and make a 50m break, instead slating him for backing that same pace in the next phase.
Yeaman not passing is not a big thing for me, and his winger hasn't really suffered as he's got a better than 1 in 2 ratio as well.
If Yeaman was as greedy and didn't have the conversion rate he does then maybe it would be a problem.'"
Page 4 mate!
Agree with the rest of what you've said too.
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| Kevin Sinfield makes Paul Wellens look like Linford Christie, that's probably why he's not been heaped with praise for the break.
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| Quote: Nobby Nolan "Kevin Sinfield makes Paul Wellens look like Linford Christie, that's probably why he's not been heaped with praise for the break.'"
What about Delaney and Vickery? Not exactly rapid but Yeaman's absolutely burned them all for pace in that break, and I don't think if he'd completely backed himself he'd have finished far away from the try line.
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| Quote: Goochie "What about Delaney and Vickery? Not exactly rapid but Yeaman's absolutely burned them all for pace in that break, and I don't think if he'd completely backed himself he'd have finished far away from the try line.'"
What about them? A clearly injured back rower and one of the worst wingers in SL. I don't have a problem with Yeaman's pace, I was stating why it was likely he'd not been highly praised for his break. I do have a problem with his awful decision a few seconds later though.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "But it was an error in isolation, Yeaman was outstanding defensively covering Briscoe, and did his work carting the ball out. Nobody wants to praise his pace to get round the outside of his opposite number and make a 50m break, instead slating him for backing that same pace in the next phase.
Yeaman not passing is not a big thing for me, and his winger hasn't really suffered as he's got a better than 1 in 2 ratio as well.
If Yeaman was as greedy and didn't have the conversion rate he does then maybe it would be a problem.'"
Forget the isolation rubbish it comes down to the fact that he had time to evaluate a situation and got it wrong. To be blunt it was a call that will probably see him not get an England call because decision making at the highest level is crucial.
Yeaman not passing IS crucial it shows he sussed out the situation and got it wrong. Not knocking the guy for trying because he clearly wears his heart on his sleeve but the pic of 2 supporting players gesturing for the pass whilst Yeaman thought best to take the pacy Hardaker on the outside shows a lack of clinical finishing at the highest level, hence why he will not play for England in the World Cup. IMO.
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| Quote: knocker norton "Forget the isolation rubbish it comes down to the fact that he had time to evaluate a situation and got it wrong. To be blunt it was a call that will probably see him not get an England call because decision making at the highest level is crucial.
Yeaman not passing IS crucial it shows he sussed out the situation and got it wrong. Not knocking the guy for trying because he clearly wears his heart on his sleeve but the pic of 2 supporting players gesturing for the pass whilst Yeaman thought best to take the pacy Hardaker on the outside shows a lack of clinical finishing at the highest level, hence why he will not play for England in the World Cup. IMO.'"
So he won't play for England based on that decision? I doubt that will be the reason tbh.
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| Quote: Robbo4 "I dont normally subscribe to the Yeaman being greedy theory, usually I think its a lack of awareness/confidence/ability but last night I do think he went for personal glory which thankfully didnt end up costing us. Having said that we bombed several other try scoring opportunities that we need to be converting if we want to win something.'"
Good point. With more composure and better decision making we could have scored 40+ points. Ultimately it will be that which separates us from the real contenders when it matters this year but hopefully in the next couple of years this group of players can mature together and we can add some more class/experience as players leave and are replaced
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "But it was an error in isolation, Yeaman was outstanding defensively covering Briscoe, and did his work carting the ball out. Nobody wants to praise his pace to get round the outside of his opposite number and make a 50m break, instead slating him for backing that same pace in the next phase.
Yeaman not passing is not a big thing for me, and his winger hasn't really suffered as he's got a better than 1 in 2 ratio as well.
If Yeaman was as greedy and didn't have the conversion rate he does then maybe it would be a problem.'"
Completely agree. Yeaman was excellent and whilst it was a really poor error I think it was a lack of judgment/awareness rather than greed. He backed himself which is something I like players to do but he should have realised he wasn't going to make it and adjust accordingly. Thankfully it didn't cost us but he wasn't the only player to make mistakes. We could and should have won by more.
I have never subscribed to Yeaman being greedy, more a case of lack of confidence or skill in being able to put his winger away but he has got better in recent years.
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