I'm sure you're right, but some positions won't necessarily appear - eg club doctor, and nutrition, say, may well be contracted out.

Again true, but things like club doctors appear on the Wigan site.

we list the club chaplain ffs, do you think hes full time just for Hull FC ha

So are you suggesting that they shouldn't include the Club Chaplain? ha

No, just saying, if they list the club chaplain, why not list doctors etc, I think its pretty obvious we don't have in place the same backroom staff as Wigan Leeds etc, no where near.

I know this is a bit out of date, but Optimun Nutrition are still club partners... Quote Commenting on the deal, Sebastian Mullin, Managing Director EMEA at Optimum Nutrition, said, “We are delighted to announce our partnership with Hull and we look forward to continuing to develop and build on their excellent nutrition and fitness practices. “We will be working closely with the team to develop unique nutrition strategies to support the players’ performance on, and recovery off, the pitch.” Hull FC’s head of strength and conditioning, Paul Devlin, told www.hullfc.com, “We’ve been working closely with Nick and his team for the past few weeks on our new nutrition and training plans for pre-season and we look forward to our partnership growing further over the next few months.'"

I know this is a bit out of date, but Optimun Nutrition are still club partners... Quote Commenting on the deal, Sebastian Mullin, Managing Director EMEA at Optimum Nutrition, said, “We are delighted to announce our partnership with Hull and we look forward to continuing to develop and build on their excellent nutrition and fitness practices. “We will be working closely with the team to develop unique nutrition strategies to support the players’ performance on, and recovery off, the pitch.” Hull FC’s head of strength and conditioning, Paul Devlin, told www.hullfc.com, “We’ve been working closely with Nick and his team for the past few weeks on our new nutrition and training plans for pre-season and we look forward to our partnership growing further over the next few months.'"

www.hullfc.com/article/33489/wit ... e-possible Quote Leading sports nutrition brand Optimum Nutrition (ON) are the official suppliers to Hull FC and play a vital role. Providing their top-of-the-range products to both the first team and the club’s youth sides, it is the first time Hull FC’s academy and scholarship sides have benefitted from such a deal.'"

www.hullfc.com/article/33489/wit ... e-possible Quote Leading sports nutrition brand Optimum Nutrition (ON) are the official suppliers to Hull FC and play a vital role. Providing their top-of-the-range products to both the first team and the club’s youth sides, it is the first time Hull FC’s academy and scholarship sides have benefitted from such a deal.'"

Doesn't fill you with confidence does it, I'm more concerned about the lack of coaching staff on the payroll

They're our supplier for nutritional supplements. I'd imagine all the SL clubs have such a supplier. Maybe even ON themselves. I personally doubt we use them any differently to how another club would.

The club does say they play a vital role in the bit I quoted but doesn't elaborate further. I'd be intrigued to know more if anyone can find it.

We have the same as Wigan, if you use the word "Coaching" in the usual context.

The other 15 members of Wigan's "coaching" staff include medical, performance, physio's, conditioners etc, some of which we also have.

[url=http://www.wiganwarriors.com/Wsquadp.aspx?SquadID=8Wigan Coaching? Staff.[/url

I quoted a bit 4 posts earlier.

Glad you finally agree ha, that link just proofs how much we are lacking in back room staff

So when you say coaching staff, you really mean backroom staff. Make up you mind.

Zzzzzzzz you know exactly what people are going on about, don't be a dick, our setup compared to the top 4 is poor, maybe this is the reason why the culture of the club doesn't seem to change regardless. People are completely dissulusioned with what's going and are looking for answers, what's wrong with that

How do you know how many hours the Wigan staff do some may only do a few hours a week), or whether Hull's list is definitive?

Definitive??

The website, and the match day programme state the same information,

I'd say that's 'definitive'.

Hull only name seven administration staff including Adam Pearson and Tony Cotson (club chaplain).

Are you telling me that nobody else works at the club?

Have you actually read what I wrote?

Yes, hence my comment.......

What I am stating, is members of Coaching staff that are employed at Hull FC,
which is indicated by the club website and Match day programme.

But you said that the coaching staff list was definitive because it was in the match programmes and on the website so by the same rationale you are saying that the list of administration staff is also definitive and that therefore aside from the players only fourteen people work at Hull FC (including Pearson and the chaplain).

You cannot just go on a club website and compare staff numbers because clubs will not necessarily list all staff nor state whether they are full time or part time. We might have as many full time coaching staff members as Wigan or Rovers or Widnes, who knows?

It's fairly obvious not everyone is listed, none of the 19s or 16s / scholarship coaches for a start, but that's still not to say we are anywhere near other clubs numbers

You have an owner who is not really a Rugby man who has a lot to say but does not back his words up with actions , he really wants to be somewhere else (Leeds United) but can not afford to be there . You have a coach who has no experience and would never have got near another Super League team . Oh and you spent silly money on Gareth Ellis salary (as fantastic player as he was he is now injury prone and past his best ) when the money would have been better spent on the half backs who are the hub of any team

Ellis got a freak off the cuff injury at your place on his debut, unforseen and could have happened to anybody.
Played in virtually every SL game and our Wembley run after that.
Played in all games this season other than a two match suspension.

Well he has been on the pitch but I wouldn't say he's played.