This!

Not as black and white (pun intended) as that.

Yeaman has played over 300? games at first team level for Hull plus quite a few international games as well.

We should expect more from him then from Arundel who is still young and learning the game.

Its how you respond and react to these game changing moments which define how a player will be classed.

Ben Crooks is already showing signs that he is better aware then Yeaman and Arundel may well have similar qualities.

That said this is not a pop at Yeaman who I think is a top quality SL player but more a realisation that if his high standards are not maintained then a spell not in the first team may follow.

In that case, I wonder who's going to start the thread bemoaning Holdsworth dropping the ball cold with the try line open. Infinitely worse error than Yeamo's.

Big difference. Every player is going to make that kind of mistake at some time - Yeamans was not a physical error but more a choice error if that makes sense?!?!?!

Last week at Magic Kirk dropped one cold with the line begging - happens. Same happened with Hornes pass to Crooks.

This

But it was an error in isolation, Yeaman was outstanding defensively covering Briscoe, and did his work carting the ball out. Nobody wants to praise his pace to get round the outside of his opposite number and make a 50m break, instead slating him for backing that same pace in the next phase.
Yeaman not passing is not a big thing for me, and his winger hasn't really suffered as he's got a better than 1 in 2 ratio as well.
If Yeaman was as greedy and didn't have the conversion rate he does then maybe it would be a problem.

Ah,so its all down to Yeaman that Briscoe wants to go?


You learn something every day.

I dont normally subscribe to the Yeaman being greedy theory, usually I think its a lack of awareness/confidence/ability but last night I do think he went for personal glory which thankfully didnt end up costing us. Having said that we bombed several other try scoring opportunities that we need to be converting if we want to win something.

Page 4 mate!

Agree with the rest of what you've said too.

Kevin Sinfield makes Paul Wellens look like Linford Christie, that's probably why he's not been heaped with praise for the break.

What about Delaney and Vickery? Not exactly rapid but Yeaman's absolutely burned them all for pace in that break, and I don't think if he'd completely backed himself he'd have finished far away from the try line.

What about them? A clearly injured back rower and one of the worst wingers in SL. I don't have a problem with Yeaman's pace, I was stating why it was likely he'd not been highly praised for his break. I do have a problem with his awful decision a few seconds later though.

Forget the isolation rubbish it comes down to the fact that he had time to evaluate a situation and got it wrong. To be blunt it was a call that will probably see him not get an England call because decision making at the highest level is crucial.

Yeaman not passing IS crucial it shows he sussed out the situation and got it wrong. Not knocking the guy for trying because he clearly wears his heart on his sleeve but the pic of 2 supporting players gesturing for the pass whilst Yeaman thought best to take the pacy Hardaker on the outside shows a lack of clinical finishing at the highest level, hence why he will not play for England in the World Cup. IMO.

So he won't play for England based on that decision? I doubt that will be the reason tbh.

Good point. With more composure and better decision making we could have scored 40+ points. Ultimately it will be that which separates us from the real contenders when it matters this year but hopefully in the next couple of years this group of players can mature together and we can add some more class/experience as players leave and are replaced

Completely agree. Yeaman was excellent and whilst it was a really poor error I think it was a lack of judgment/awareness rather than greed. He backed himself which is something I like players to do but he should have realised he wasn't going to make it and adjust accordingly. Thankfully it didn't cost us but he wasn't the only player to make mistakes. We could and should have won by more.

I have never subscribed to Yeaman being greedy, more a case of lack of confidence or skill in being able to put his winger away but he has got better in recent years.

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DJ didn't make a [idecision[/i which cost us a try (or points). There is a difference.

And people - myself included - have expressed concern over his goalkicking.

Actually it has been mentioned. It was a nice line and a decent turn of pace. Doesn't change the fact that we didn't score from it purely because of a decision Yeaman made.

He made a mistake, apparently he is gutted about it according to someone who knows him.

He isn't the only one who has made a mistake this season.

One of the most glaring mistakes though. And not his first this season that's cost us tries.

And I'm sure he's not happy with himself over it. Rightly so. How does that change things?

Can't people offer critical opinions of some players now?

He isn't the only player to make more than one mistake. Most players have made costly mistakes, it happens.

Show me where I said that? I have criticised him myself.

I just don't see the need for going overboard and wanting him dropped. He had a good game.

If you read the whole thread very few poster have called for him to be dropped. But his defenders have latched onto those comments and suddenly any criticism whatsoever is taboo. It's not any more helpful than those poster who just slag players off without thinking.

It was a very poor piece of decision making that cost us 6 points. Coupled with his lack of form [iin attack[/i this season it rightly raises the question of whether his place [imight[/i come under pressure once Arundel is fit. That seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable debate to be having and is largely what this thread has been about.

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RLFans isn't the only place FC fans give opinions. Twitter, Facebook, at the game. That's what my comments were based on, not one thread. Again....I have not said he should not be criticised, where did I say it was taboo? He has been quiet in attack this season but our left hand side as a whole has been not just him. He has also missed games though injury and it can take time to get form back. He had a good game against Leeds and made a big error, luckily it didn't cost us.

Give me a choice right now between Arundel and Yeaman, it would be Yeaman everytime. His defence is far superior and their attacks are similar.

Lets be clear now. He did not directly cost any points. Holdsworth or Pitts could have dropped the ball or it could have been intercepted. It was a poor decision but not the worst we've seen. Holdsworths was a far worst offender in that game!!
Nobody deserves to be dropped from that performance!!