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| Quote: berrigans bitch "icon_eek.gif You do listen to my rants them ![]()
I did listen and I was thinking the same think all weekend about the mess we are in.
Getting rid of Agar will solve nothing, he is not the problem and the sooner those in charge see it the better. If they let it continue or throw Agar to the wolf pack then they will deserve all that follows.
Dwindling crowds and dwindling income 
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I agree with every word you have said Ian P. At this rate we have written the season off haven't we? Lets get some of these 'stars' off the park and get the young uns in.
I'd support em to the hilt!
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| Quote: Rock God X "You seriously think we'll be in the top 8 at the end of the season anyway? Even if, by some miracle, we scrape 8th place, we'll get bummed by Saints in the first round after they've selected us for their easy passage to the next game.'"
First of all we wouldn't play Saints becase that is not how the system works.
Secondly, that is a worse atitude than the players have. "oh we probably won't be able to do it so lets not even waste our time trying." |
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| Quote: Ian P "I would rest the entire 1 st squad Friday clearly they do not want to play.
Its seems to be vogue to blame the coach, board, Kaff and Jimmy, true they are all at fault one way or another. This is player power in action again, and we have already lost two coaches to them and I think Agar and Sharp could well be the next to go.
The players on the field do not want to know, their body language is all wrong and you can see them barely going through the motions. That needs sorting and quick or it will only get worse and it this that will cause the club, coaches and fans the most upset. Good coaches do not allow the players to form there own pressure groups and good management supports the coach. Up to now this has not been happening at FC certain players have the board’s ear and that undermines the coach. John Kear went because of other things (he was on the same money as he had when he was assistant), but when a certain Kiwi hooker stuck the knife in Kear had to go. Sharp was similar with the board constantly taking positions that chipped away at the coaching staff.
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| Quote: Ian P "I would rest the entire 1 st squad Friday clearly they do not want to play.
Its seems to be vogue to blame the coach, board, Kaff and Jimmy, true they are all at fault one way or another. This is player power in action again, and we have already lost two coaches to them and I think Agar and Sharp could well be the next to go.
The players on the field do not want to know, their body language is all wrong and you can see them barely going through the motions. That needs sorting and quick or it will only get worse and it this that will cause the club, coaches and fans the most upset. Good coaches do not allow the players to form there own pressure groups and good management supports the coach. Up to now this has not been happening at FC certain players have the board’s ear and that undermines the coach. John Kear went because of other things (he was on the same money as he had when he was assistant), but when a certain Kiwi hooker stuck the knife in Kear had to go. Sharp was similar with the board constantly taking positions that chipped away at the coaching staff.
Here we are again ![]()
I am sure they will act, however my fear is they make the wrong choice, lets put aside Agars ability for now, if the players win this call then there is no saying it will not happen again (even with a top coach) and it will become a spiral of inconsitency, dissapointed fans etc, it has gone on now for years and it has to stop or it will destroy the club.
Agar unfortunatley has inherited a lot of players who have taken part in player power before, he needs a chance to weed it out and build a decent squad who are prepared to be proffesional, let him have his season next year then judge.
I for one am prepared to watch us lose as long as the team put 100% effort in and play with pride, something most of these players are not prepared to do unless they get what they want, well fook em
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "First of all we wouldn't play Saints becase that is not how the system works.
Secondly, that is a worse atitude than the players have. "oh we probably won't be able to do it so lets not even waste our time trying."'"
I was using Saints as an example. I don't know who will finish where any more than you do.
My attitude is not worse than the players. They are being paid good money to perform to the best of their ability and only a handful are bothering. I'd be willing to sacrifice a possible 8th place finish this season if it sent out a message to the players concerned that they cannot expect to get by on a minimum amount of effort all the time.
Eighth place for a club with gates, merchandise revenues, and an off the field structure like ours should be seen as nothing less than a massive failure. |
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| Quote: Ian P "I did listen and I was thinking the same think all weekend about the mess we are in.
Getting rid of Agar will solve nothing, he is not the problem and the sooner those in charge see it the better. If they let it continue or throw Agar to the wolf pack then they will deserve all that follows.
Dwindling crowds and dwindling income ![]()
If Agar goes he will be the 3rd coach we have got rid of in 4 years. 'Get in a top class Aussie' I hear people say. Who the hell is going to want to come to this club considering the way the coach's authority is undermined time and time again.
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| Quote: Ian P "I did listen and I was thinking the same think all weekend about the mess we are in.
Getting rid of Agar will solve nothing, he is not the problem and the sooner those in charge see it the better. If they let it continue or throw Agar to the wolf pack then they will deserve all that follows.
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| Quote: airliebird58 "If Agar goes he will be the 3rd coach we have got rid of in 4 years. 'Get in a top class Aussie' I hear people say. Who the hell is going to want to come to this club considering the way the coach's authority is undermined time and time again.'" totally agree with you there |
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It's not an either/or scenario for me. Agar needs to go, as do a good number of the underperforming players.
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| Quote: PAUL M "Some good points Ian, as always. I would have one concern though, Agar I understand wants to make some big changes for next season in terms of players coming in and players leaving. He has identified these changes and him goin now would mean that a new coach would come in without knowing all of what has gone on. I also don't want to see the players get their own way as imo they are the biggest problem and not the coaches.
I get the feeling the club will stick with Agar and let him call the shots for 2010.'"
You may well have hit the nail right on the head with that quote. Hence the mass throwing out of dummy's from the collective players pram.
Maybe nowhere near the truth, but it looks like it to me. |
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| Quote: Ian P "Getting rid of Agar will solve nothing, he is not the problem and the sooner those in charge see it the better. If they let it continue or throw Agar to the wolf pack then they will deserve all that follows.'"
I agree with your general point about player power and all that goes with it. However, even if Agar is not [ithe[/i problem he is still a significant part of it IMO.
Player power is not responsible for his odd team selections, constant playing of Radford at LF, laughable interchange policy, poor tactics, and general lack of imagination.
At the very least he is managing to make a bad situation worse. |
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Hear in lies my issue with Agar (or one of em)...i fully agree that some players are not putting the effort in....so why the hell are they in the team then??!! Pick some kids instead...can't do much worse. Surely that is down to the coach?
All the players (barring Craig Hall - scapegoat i may add) play week in week out regardless of form, application, enthusiasm etc, etc.....Agar hasn't the bawls to sort it out....that (along with his poor tactics, interchanges etc) is why he is out his depth.
And i agree with others - Agar isn't the only problem, the majority of the OOC players need to go also, as do some contracted ones (Radford, King, Tickle)
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| Quote: Kosh "I agree with your general point about player power and all that goes with it. However, even if Agar is not [ithe[/i problem he is still a significant part of it IMO.
Player power is not responsible for his odd team selections, constant playing of Radford at LF, laughable interchange policy, poor tactics, and general lack of imagination.
At the very least he is managing to make a bad situation worse.'"
Odd team selection=limited players?
poor tactics & general lack of imagination=players not following gameplan?
Agree his interchange policy is dubious, and possibly better options for LF |
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