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Quote: FC Mute "No it isnt'"


Instead of 2 or 3 word answers all the time any chance you could explain your understanding of it please

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Quote: Big Dave T "Wigan back loaded players salaries though didnt they which the RFL stopped? Not sure what the RFL could do if clubs decided to offer players shorter contracts if it meant they had passed the qualifying period. TBF in the future clubs will only offer contracts to players that expire when they could come off quota. As the rules changed during Manu having a contract some leniency may be shown.'"


I'm not sure what they did, but presumably it must have involved renegotiaion of contracts mid run.

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Quote: Gordon Gekko "I would be very surprised if what you're saying actually happen. The only way i can see that happening is if the existing contract is paid off in full and a new one negotiated.'"


Why? An existing contract by employment law becomes null and void if a newer contract is agreed. If the player and club agree the contract there is no severance pay needed.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Factually correct yes, my point was that it was an incorrect approach to what he said.'"


I'm still not getting your point here. He was asked if we had a quota spot available to sign Sam Moa for next season. He got a reply of "no quota not full for 2010 yet". Whats the problem?

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Quote: Neil HFC "I'm not sure what they did, but presumably it must have involved renegotiaion of contracts mid run.'"


Which was allowed. They just werent allowed to say to player x that they would give them 50k per season in year 1, 100k in year 2 and 200k in year 3. The RFL rules that it had to be 117k per year i believe. (i may be wrong though)

It would be illegal for the RFL to stop contracts being renegotiated.

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Quote: fcthefuture "Instead of 2 or 3 word answers all the time any chance you could explain your understanding of it please'"


I'm thinking it's the inaccurate use of the word quota for all overseas players. Maybe a little pedantic, but using quota all the time does increase the confusion. It's kind of like calling all British people English, whether they be Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish.

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Quote: Robbo4 "I'm still not getting your point here. He was asked if we had a quota spot available to sign Sam Moa for next season. He got a reply of "no quota not full for 2010 yet". Whats the problem?'"


The problem ive got is that he gave us a fact in isolation with no detail. This is dangerous in that detail is then speculated and made up.

The correct approach here would be to give no fact or to give fact and detail.

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Quote: fcthefuture "Instead of 2 or 3 word answers all the time any chance you could explain your understanding of it please'"


Sorry icon_lol.gif

He was close, this year it is a maximum on 8 non federation, of which a maximum of 5 of these can be 'quota'.

Next year it will be a maximum of 6 non federation, of which a maximum of 5 can be'quota'.

Kolpaks, Islanders, RU players count as Non federation as do dual /european passports I believe.

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Quote: carl_spackler "I'm thinking it's the inaccurate use of the word quota for all overseas players. Maybe a little pedantic, but using quota all the time does increase the confusion. It's kind of like calling all British people English, whether they be Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish.'"


Ah ok, i use the word quota for a total number. Guess i should have used quota for the oz/nz players we are allowed and then total overseas for the total numbers?

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Quote: FC Mute "Sorry
Now see you wrong already it's maximum of 7 this year.

EDIT: I stand corrected it is 8. icon_surprised.gifops: icon_surprised.gifops: icon_lol.gif

FFS This is fecking complicated. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Big Dave T "The problem ive got is that he gave us a fact in isolation with no detail. This is dangerous in that detail is then speculated and made up.

The correct approach here would be to give no fact or to give fact and detail.'"


So what should he have said? "sorry I cant answer that question?"

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Quote: A unknown superstar "Now see you wrong already it's maximum of 7 this year.'"


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Dont think anyone really knows. (including James Rule evidently)

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Quote: FC Mute "Sorry
Thanks for that (still don't understand the bl**dy thing though icon_lol.gif ) does that mean then , if we wanted to, there is still a quota place left for Moa

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Quote: Big Dave T "

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