Im a big Westerman fan and with a better team around him i think you'll see a much better player next season barring any injuries.

As for that tackle then if were gonna send off or ban every player who tackles hard where the head receives contact in some way then they might as well as chuck it in and start playing touch rugby or why not go the whole hog and just play fooking pansie football. You can see when theres intent and Moas, Poletuas and Westys had none, Brent Webb on the other hand was clear jumping into the air and should of been punished

When i first started watching hull in the early to mid eighties high tackles where more likely to be red carded. I remember Joe Lydon being sent off for one against us. Now if you commit a high tackle its just a telling off. This shoulder charge seems to be the new thing for sending off. Until this season especially i cant recall it being a major problem. As for Westerman i would have him in the 2nd row with Ellis next year. He just seems to offer more than Ticke apart from the goal kicking.

Leading with the shoulder is fine but if you get it wrong and make contact with the head you have to accept the punishment like happened with Moa and TP.

Exactly right Paul.

What about the contact with Ben Cockaines foot and a prone member of the public on the floor

i dont see it like that i see westy go to put a big shot on and knock the ball free lauaki stumbles and westys arm meets his head not westy fault he was stood up tall and lauaki was falling at last minute he showed in the next tackle what he ment to do when he put a shot on and knocked the ball free again people are making miles to much of it and talking about a ban is ridiculous

I dislike Cockayne as much as any1 on here but I fail to see what this has got to do with anything. Plus he's a Wakey player now, get over it.

It really isn't.

Another average season from Westy next season will see him go I reckon.

I really don't understand the animosity against Westy. He's 22, captained the Knights last season, had a large chunk of this season out with injury and is coming into some form. Was talking to my mate from Wigan after the game and he said they rate him over there. It is not his fault he was bought for a massive fee and his fans expect him to win every game single handedly to some how make up for it.

You lot get worse !

I agree mate , I think westy is a great player and has a massive future at the club . Once someone has a bee in their bonnet about a player all they look for is negetives and totaly miss all the plus points that the player brings to the team .
Fwiw I see westy as a future full grade international .

Not sure what you are seeing that makes you think that presently tbh, the jury is still out for me however I think overall Westy has got talent and he is definitely improving since returning from injury and I expect it will be next season before he hits his full straps again, still prone to silly mistakes for me to consider him reaching International level yet though. I do agree fans on here certainly get a bee in their bonnet about certain players which totally clouds their judgement on any particular performance, I mean feck me some-one even slated Turner on Friday and the bloke was not even on the pitch

I disagree mate, the big hit is great to watch however all players have to take responsibility if that hit goes wrong and on this occasion it went wrong, it is not a question of who is to blame it is the point that contact was made with the head I doubt most players intend to put a shot on another players head however they all know if they do they will pay the price and rightly so players heads have to be protected, we would have been outraged had Lauaki put the same shot on Westy and hit his head, works both ways.