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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "What sort of team would clubs select for midweek games given that they could be playing Sunday/Wednesday/Friday? Plus the attendances would be pitiful.

The days of County Cups, a secondary cup comp, Challenge Cup and forty games a season are long gone.'"



I completely agree that we will not see another comp introduced. However I have mentioned before that the county cups could be used as a pre season competition in readiness for SL.

The timing of the CC rounds needs to be revised. To have 2 months between quarters and semis is poor imo.

I think losing just one team from SL would benefit the standards and would introduce a bye week twice a year for clubs meaning a forced rest period.

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the real viking warrior wrote , 'Well theres a first for everything,like the dobbins first and last season in super league' . Hull FC you were once a feeder club for the mighty HKR and now your living in its shadow ! THE KC CURSE HAS RETURNED ,THEY ARE ALL WANTING TO GO HOME OR INJURED ! FACT . Doing a lap of honour for getting 2 points PRICELESS season 2011 ! Top 4 team 2012 your having a laugh !:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_28395.jpg



Quote: Standee "you believe that, you're even more deluded than the average KR fan, you wouldn't be missed, will you get 10k tomorrow night for your home cup final?'"

Home cup final ? I believe your a deluded Dulla thats praying for an away win .
You might even get a lap of honour again bit like the one you did at home to Leeds before the rot set in ,if you pull off a win ? As for a 10 k crowd ,not a chance on a Monday night a televised game and your lot with your pathetic excuses not to travel ! c020.gif

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Quote: Red Adair "Home cup final ? I believe your a deluded Dulla thats praying for an away win .
You might even get a lap of honour again bit like the one you did at home to Leeds before the rot set in ,if you pull off a win ? As for a 10 k crowd ,not a chance on a Monday night a televised game and your lot with your pathetic excuses not to travel !
Rovers depend on Hull for five figure crowds.

The definition of a small club.

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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "Rovers depend on Hull for five figure crowds.

The definition of a small club.'"

Game, set and match. high-five.gif

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He was right in the end:



Quote: Red Adair "Home cup final ? I believe your a deluded Dulla thats praying for an away win .
You might even get a lap of honour again bit like the one you did at home to Leeds before the rot set in ,if you pull off a win ? As for a 10 k crowd ,not a chance on a Monday night a televised game and your lot with your pathetic excuses not to travel ! No you wont get 10k cos your ground is not up to SL requirements.

I do hope Sky dont forget the floodlights they have to provide for themself

Mind you the North will get started soon when you flog Dobbo icon_lol.gif

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Quote: whenitsnotraining "Disagree.

Yes they may be less games - but number of televised games on SKY need not change, so the SKY deal would remain.

In fact is there an argument to say the SKY deal might be better?
With less teams, player resource isnt as stretched, so teams will be stronger, meaning televised games will be better?

I mean who wants to watch London v Wakefield? When actually you could get an extra Saints v Wigan for example? (If they play 3 times).

I reckon SKY would be well up for showing more top games than having to cover games like London Wakey that nobody hardly watches.
Can attract much more advertising for bigger games.


Flawed IMHO

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Quote: whenitsnotraining "So who drops out of the current teams?

Wakefield and KR for me.

Salford, Widnes both got new stadiums. Cas have one on the way.

I know this will wind KR fans up, but if it ever happened they would also have the 1 team form each area issue to contend with as well as having a rubbish stadium along with Wakefield. Neither club tick many boxes.

10 teams, with a state of origin type tournament somewhere in there? War of the Roses?

Could be good, and less to share round in terms of quality players, could make for a stronger league and more quality all round?'"


Really?

Why?

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The thing is, we all [iknow[/i that there aren't enough players of sufficient quality to go around, and we did a while back. One of the key reasons to expand SL to 14 teams in the first place was to try and increase the selection pool for the national side, so it's no surprise that we haven't instantly found another 30+ players of SL standard just kicking their heels in the NLs. The only additional thing that has now happened is that the supply of players from the NRL is drying up because SL is not the comparative payday it once was, and clubs/chairmen are getting scared.

So instead of bitching and moaning about the problem now that they can't rely upon Australians and Kiwis to make up for their own failures, clubs need to actually focus on the fundamental problem and work at actually attracting kids to the game and turning them into SL quality players. Yes, it's a lot easier to say than do, but that's at the heart of the problem IMO, too many are wanting the quickest and easiest solution rather than being willing to work at the best one.

In the long run, developing young players should be the cheapest/most efficient way to run a club, as well as hopefully making both SL and the national side more competitive. The clubs and we fans just need to realise this and be prepared to ride out some dips in quality in the short term along the way, and stick with it for a while if we want the end results.

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There are some interesting ideas in this thread.

If the league and cup competitions remain as they are, I would personally prefer dropping down to 12 teams for many of the reasons already stated. As someone has already said, to keep the season the same length, introduce the bye (although the play offs would have to drop to six teams) so Sky get more or less the same amount of games per season to televise.

If there was to be a shakeup at Redhall, I 'd like to see a return to the team winning the most games in a regular season crowned champions. And the reintroduction of the Premiership trophy; it'd still be an end of season finale, there'd be the second knock out competition that some posters would like to see (three season trophies up for grabs) and those teams not in the championship run off would still have something to play for at the end of the season.

I don't mind the whole GF scenario but I think the system is flawed when it's possible for a team to just scrape into the play offs and possibly win the competition. The biggest accolade should be for the most conistent, therefore season long performance.

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If it does change to 12 teams, I wouldn't be surprised to see three current teams go and introduce a second french team. It wouldn't necessarily be right, but it's the sort of thing the governing body would come up with.

If it's two team out then Broncos and Widnes at the moment.

However, it will never be Broncos so Widnes and Salford (rumours suggest that they're on the brink anyway).

As for the earlier comment about Rover's going instead of Tigers because have got a new ground; no they haven't, i'm led to believe that they're seriously struggling to get the finances for it. Wakey are far more advanced in their stadium development than the Tigers, even with all of the delays they've had.

If they survive, Bradford will still be in SL, it would be a bigger embarresment to SL to kick them out instead of just papering over the cracks.

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Not worth arguing about but Widnes really? One secure club with a full youth set up building something for the future? Crowds ATM not great but also have potential.

Interesting one that.

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Standee wrote: "because watching hull fc isn't worth the 200+ mile round trip ." I rest my case:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54781.jpg



Given the recent history i think London would have to go but i fear the RFL will continue to bankroll hat one just for the kudos of saying we got a foot hold in the capital, also i think the RFL should do a full assesment of the current SL bunch and add who ever comes up bottom of the pile when it comes to their financial status presently.

Also think the league should come down to 12 teams and the missed games taken up by serious international dates and the top 4 sides make up a small end of season comp versus top 4 in Oz which would then give us the SOO style contests we clearly and desperately need prior to the internationals and scrap the doomed to die exiles game as most of the GB team would usually come from the top 4 sides then they get to be involved in high intensity games versus the top 4 sides in Oz, the GB public and Oz public would get behind this, the clubs get the cash, sky get the biff on tv so viewing figures shoot up and they get their quota of games, AND it also gives all the teams in SL another incentive to get into the top 4 and not scrape into the 8

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Quote: voodooroo "Given the recent history i think London would have to go but i fear the RFL will continue to bankroll hat one just for the kudos of saying we got a foot hold in the capital, also i think the RFL should do a full assesment of the current SL bunch and add who ever comes up bottom of the pile when it comes to their financial status presently.

Also think the league should come down to 12 teams and the missed games taken up by serious international dates and the top 4 sides make up a small end of season comp versus top 4 in Oz which would then give us the SOO style contests we clearly and desperately need prior to the internationals and scrap the doomed to die exiles game as most of the GB team would usually come from the top 4 sides then they get to be involved in high intensity games versus the top 4 sides in Oz, the GB public and Oz public would get behind this, the clubs get the cash, sky get the biff on tv so viewing figures shoot up and they get their quota of games, AND it also gives all the teams in SL another incentive to get into the top 4 and not scrape into the 8'"


So you fear something that doesn't happen continuing to happen?

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Standee wrote: "because watching hull fc isn't worth the 200+ mile round trip ." I rest my case:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54781.jpg



Quote: Sheldon "So you fear something that doesn't happen continuing to happen?'"

The RFL gave them a license in SL however what travelling finances do they offer to the rest of SL,
if the rest of SL fans from each club decided to travel to them in the same numbers their massive army of travelling support and the cash cow do to the rest of SL , they would be bankrupt in 6 months as they survive on one thing
travelling supporters!!!
as their own gates are shocking to say the least without our fans and anyone who has been to their home games will know all too well
The RFL continue to allow name changes, ground changes , underwhelming performance and have i believe supported them in the past
bank rolling IMO to even grant them a license, would SL be a worse place without them or even notice they had gone.....

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Standee wrote: "because watching hull fc isn't worth the 200+ mile round trip ." I rest my case:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54781.jpg



FWIW I think if the heartlands of RL are suffering then look after your own and not anymore do we continue to look outwards, its time they looked inwards at the backbone of British RL grass roots clubs .......
Spend time and money investing in community development at the West hulls, Heworths, Thatto heath, crossfields, st pats and such clubs in the UK and start all over again, help clubs like Batley, York and so on with investment but no more Londons or crusaders for now till austerity is a thing of the past and finances look brighter , support the flat cappers who go to doncaster and whitehaven etc week in week out and bring their teams forward instead of taking the SL backwards by spreading the jam too thin

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