Manu.

Westerman has not lived up to his price. He's also admitted that his form isn't good.

Manu doesn't ghost through gaps, he doesn't need gaps.

But it seems to be PG's opinion that he's a valued member of the team, so shall we leave it at that.

No. I'm not going to stop having/expressing an opinion because it may differ to that of our coach. In any event, it depends who you ask as to whether PG rates him or not. I've heard rumours to the contrary.

It was careless for me, probably get a one match ban.

As for Westerman I still think he has a big future with us, he has sturggled this season after being out for so long but has looked better the last few weeks. Hopefully he will play second row and not 13 as he looks better when playing out wide like he did for Cas. He is quite creative and should we get Chase this will help him game imo.

His major downside is that his one on one defence sometimes lets him down. I have noticed that he has been much more vocal lately and seems to be really motivated and is maybe starting to find his confidence again.

Also interestingly when AP spoke recently he mentioned a few players by name and Westy was one of them so I can only imagine he is well thought of at the club.

how can anyone say it was careless? he clearly fell into westys arm not shoulder if lauaki did not fall into it then it would have bin a great shot on him and would not of connected with the face. he should not get a ban at all and probably wont his face hit westys tricep thats how low lauaki was when contact was made.
just to add to this westy has been one of our best players recently seems to be another scape goat by a few on here. but never slag briscoe off though given how unintrested he looked at wigan and how useless he was in attack

It'll help the local licensees more likely

I can say it easily, his arm came away from the body and hit his head/face. It wasn't reckless or deliberate but it was a touch careless.

Im a big Westerman fan and with a better team around him i think you'll see a much better player next season barring any injuries.

As for that tackle then if were gonna send off or ban every player who tackles hard where the head receives contact in some way then they might as well as chuck it in and start playing touch rugby or why not go the whole hog and just play fooking pansie football. You can see when theres intent and Moas, Poletuas and Westys had none, Brent Webb on the other hand was clear jumping into the air and should of been punished

When i first started watching hull in the early to mid eighties high tackles where more likely to be red carded. I remember Joe Lydon being sent off for one against us. Now if you commit a high tackle its just a telling off. This shoulder charge seems to be the new thing for sending off. Until this season especially i cant recall it being a major problem. As for Westerman i would have him in the 2nd row with Ellis next year. He just seems to offer more than Ticke apart from the goal kicking.

Leading with the shoulder is fine but if you get it wrong and make contact with the head you have to accept the punishment like happened with Moa and TP.

Exactly right Paul.

What about the contact with Ben Cockaines foot and a prone member of the public on the floor

i dont see it like that i see westy go to put a big shot on and knock the ball free lauaki stumbles and westys arm meets his head not westy fault he was stood up tall and lauaki was falling at last minute he showed in the next tackle what he ment to do when he put a shot on and knocked the ball free again people are making miles to much of it and talking about a ban is ridiculous