Why do you keep going on about AVERAGE attendance?

Yeah over the season the average may be around 11k but it’s about having the facilities and size too accommodate a crowd of around 13k to 15k, as per Sunday, and the odd game when this would be the case. That is more important?

Now you could argue why stop at 15k then? But we have to be realistic and for me 15k is about right and a crowd of around 11k in that size stadium wouldn’t look sp.

Very good point, need to look at how frequent the peaks in crowd are and not just the average. Also as seats become limited people get put off if they cant sit together. Id agree 15k is the minimum to aim for.

So we stay in the KC simple. But we’re not going to get anywhere near 15,000 crowds. In our best years in Super League we got 11,500 regularly. My point is, we’re not paying for the smaller ground, if it ever happens, I stated it’s all pie in the sky but people pushing for 15,000 regular crowds is bullocks. It hasn’t happened and never will, history tells you that. I’ve been there dunnit , seenit. It really isn’t going to happen.

I really don’t think you read my post fully, heyho. The whole point is, it was said that we may well jump between stadiums in the case of larger crowds. Did you go to the Wigan semi at Donny? 2 top teams couldn’t fill that small ground. I remember fans saying that the choice of venue was poor for the expected crowd,Wigan brought about 2,000 fans , if that.

How many are we expecting on Sunday?

I predicted a couple of weeks ago 14/15000
Think it will be just about right

We aren't talking about regular 15000 attendances. We are talking about 15000 attendances for high profile games. These could be derbies, play off games, games with a special offer on tickets etc.

It's a while ago but look at 2010. We sold a lot of passes on the back of signing Long, O'Meley and Fitzgibbon. We got nine attendances over 13k that year including 13352 v Cas, 14466 v Bradford, 14131 v Warrington and 16208 v Leeds.

It’s all conjecture, we don’t know if any plans will go forward or if it’s another Allamesque feint. My point is a regular crowd of 15,000 is unobtainable, history tells you that. Quotes of away supporters at the KC from the past are not sustainable now, as I quoted earlier, the best away support apart from Rovers is Cas.

Correct, 12 k is our absolute limit and is it worth the financial strain of a bigger stadium for one or two games that would go beyond that.

Im not sure on the figures but they is a reason we have seen the upper west closed for a derby game. Financially we would be better off in a 12.

Thankfully the club are more ambitious than you.

Have I stated that is my ambitionsor what I would prefer ?

Is not even about ambition either, its about business sense. So how about stop being so hostile, write more then one sentence and contribute.

Tbf though would a 15k stadium cost much more to run than a 12k stadium?

Not like it will be an extra stand or upper section as per Mkm.

The attendance on Sunday was over 15k which wouldn’t have been possible in a 12k stadium. Even at the offer price that could have lost the club approx £15k?

Exactly and with a max capacity of 12K that could mean the club would have to limit the number of pass holders to allow for a certain number of tickets for walk ups or limit/rule out walk ups. Limiting numbers is effectively turning customers away and would have significant negative impact on growing the numbers.
As Davey says a 15K or even 18-20K wouldnt cost that much more to build or run if along the lines of St’s/Warrington grounds. There’s then sufficient capacity to grow and build the fanbase. The club needs to have an available capacity to grow its members and fan base and currently with 8K members 12K wouldn’t give enough capacity and wouldn’t make any business sense.
It will be interesting to see the how the numbers go this season as over 15K is a very promising start and the newbies that turned up will have certainly been entertained and seen a win.
Still think keeping both clubs at the MKM is the way to go currently and forget about a secondary stadium of that size.

Still all pie in the sky, all being well we will see more attendances of 12-14K over the coming season if the brand of rugby on the field is enjoyable and entertaining.

I have contributed to this debate plenty of times already, thanks.

My prefered option is to stay where we are. IF we were to leave the MKM we should be looking at at least a 15k stadium, probably 18k. We have 8000 members which we should be looking at increasing. We won't do that in a 12k stadium.

A 12k stadium means every game would have to be all ticket and with an away allocation and seats left empty for safety reasons you could have some games were only 9k Hull fans could go. It's not good business sense to limit your market.

Saints have an 18k stadium but hardly ever fill it.

Just catching up on this debate.
St Helen’s & Leeds have it spot on for ground capacity around 18k.
If we were to move to a 12k then it would strangle the life out of the club.
Limit sponsorship, corporate boxes,
fan growth and a knock on effect for salary cap.
Without getting too political if Darren Hale gets back in power then any ground proposals / Walton street etc will just get put on the pile with other long awaited redevelopment projects.