I don't think that many would argue that at their respective bests Hock is the better player, but the problem is how often a player performs at or near his best. Tickle is a good, not great, 2nd rower but consistently plays at decent, somewhat above average level, plus of course he's a very good goal kicker. Further he has a decent disciplinary record and seems to conduct his business in a professional manner. Hock is a terrific athlete with good handling skills, unfortunately he is also a complete tool - poor discipline, plenty of off the field issues and apparently about as honest as Hudgell judging by the number of promises he's broken. I can't imagine him being good for team morale - that Wigan are keen to get rid but at the same time want their pound of flesh says an awful lot.

Both players are getting on (Tickle is a few months older) but I would suspect Tickle's greater professionalism will see him have a longer career. In terms of current and future value I would take Tickle because a player, no matter how good he can play, contributes nothing from the stands. Widnes have probably got it right.

I've read it and no idea.

Pretty much sums it up for me, players like Hock and Chase are not team players, they are only out for themselves, I've seen a much more galvanised and "together" FC in recent times and that is because they are all playing for each other, we don't need a prima donna coming in and ruining that.

spot on, we need a team not a rockstar

How is chase not a team player when for thw last few years he has been top of the list on assists ?

Chase has including this yr been the top try assister for 4 YEARS running! His team, a massively poor one for the majority of that time have done pretty well out of him I'd say!!

If we had Chase we would probably have beaten Cas, Wakey, Giants, Bulls. A freak of a player and as mentioned top on try assists for his TEAM.

try assists aren't the point, it's the ego. We've seen enough of it at hull already.

If I could bring any player to hull from super league it would be Sam tomkins and then Rangi Chase a close second

and that's why we're pleased you're not the coach

All about opinions I guess Standee

Indeed it is, adds to the conversation.

I really hope we don't sign Hock. Total bag with not a shred of loyalty.

Heard that we have signed Hock..

Just what i've heard but if true I have mixed emotions about it. Would be a good back row though with Ellis and Hock

Hock is a quality player and is the type of player that would replace Tickle. But his off the field antics and his penalty record goes against him.

Me and my dad did have a laugh though, Ellis good cop, Hock bad cop.

[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary?player=hock&club=&from_day=&from_month=&from_year=&to_day=&to_month=&to_year=&league=&charged=&search=searchCan any other current player beat 23 disciplinary citings since 2008?[/url

Ryan Bailey easily. He's had almost that in the last 3 seasons.

Wasn't he banned for half of that as well?

He always gets off because of his previous good record though.

2 years, between 2009-2011.

Well if we sign Hock it would be an interesting and eventful season at least!

We've got plenty of cover for him in second row for when he gets suspended at least!

Why are people saying they dont want Hock due to his red and yellow card collection?

Are you right in the head?

Hes a junkie, end of

Do we want to sign a junkie smack rat after half our staff got banned for drugs???????

I thought it was cocaine he got caught with?

Ah yes, legal cocaine, its readily sourced, perfectly pure and not addictive.

I suppose you want Harold Shipman as club doctor

Hardly makes him a junkie smack rat though does it

yeah, and it isn't smack