You can leave Hall out, as that is what this debate is centred around. Agar saw potential, Craig didn't deliver.

I'll give you Washy, i forgot bout him myself.

No others.

Can i just reiterate, I'm not talking about signing as such. I'm talking about players who have progressed and those who haven't!! Take your specs off PhilB, i feel i have!!

And yes, i'll give you Turner to a level... He's not amazing but he's shown potential and some good glimpses, i'd rather have him than Hall!!

Players come on because They want to.. Coaches are like School teachers if people want to learn there will..You can only teach anybody to a certain point ..Any player in our sport of Rugby have sometime played when they were young ..they have their strong points and weakness C Hall is his tackling ..Some are good under the high ball they attack it.. I know I am going back a long time but I was told many times if you play Rugby you just do thing don't stop and think if you hesitate that when you get hurt C Hall is 22 he as had a good 9 years or more to get his tackling technique right

Sod it, I've been dragged in.

How can you mention improvement with talking of Sam Moa?

I think people are getting me wrong here. I didn't start this as a Rovers v Hull point scoring exercise like some have tried to do!!

I simply wanted to put my point across the Craig Hall is not going to become a better player now that he's under Morgan. IMO, which I stated at the start, Agar gets more improvement out of the young english players in which he sees the right level of potential and attitude!!

I said I was open to suggestions regarding Rovers as I'm not overly knowledgeable regarding your side as you are mine!

You surely cannot honestly say Wheeldon is a quality player, he was average when he left us, he's still average now! Even Morgan wanted rid.
Hodgson is no doubt a good player but he has not progressed at Rovers, in response to you I say how many times did you watch him at FC?? He was an excellent prospect but left to get 1st team footie, he doesn't look a better player!

I actually think you've validated precisely the point that FC Wembley 08 was making, well done. Hall hasn't delivered his potential at Hull, but Rovers fans by and large assume he will do easily under Morgan's coaching.
Briscoe - made the Dream Team when at Hull FC. Good last year, calls for him to be dropped for a utility back this season.
Cooke - a better and more successful player at Hull than at Rovers
Wheeldon - OK at Hull and played in a Grand Final. Not progressed significantly under Morgan
Hodgson - heralded as a fantastic signing in a squad with a relatively poor quality of hooker but take a look at the hidden forum where generally people are a bit disappointed in his progression. Contrast with Houghton who at 21 has played 78 first team games and won players and fans player of the year this season.
Mariano - who? As you say, token inclusion who Morgan is struggling to develop into a SL standard player
Colbon - the definition of average and in reality has probably gone backwards this year (albeit troubled by injury)

Chuck in Menzies, Esders, Spaven, I'Anson, Ratu, Kirk Netherton as young players with potential that Morgan's not transformed and you can see why the rather arrogant view that Hall only has to turn up to training with Morgan to realise his international potential is somewhat discredited.

Not unless you have alternative usernames. Try not to upset me - I'm a definitive Scorpio and consequently a world-class grudge-bearer.