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| Quote ="Raggytash"Unfortunately the only important thing to most of us is the 80 minute performances.'"
I also agree 100%
but I guess 1 point more than us is enough or the dullards over the river.
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| Quote ="Standee"I also agree 100%
but I guess 1 point more than us is enough or the dullards over the river.'"
Can see it being a few more than that if things don't improve.
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| Quote ="Standee"I don't need to prove what I know to be true, do you know what Parasol actually do?
FC have a higher average attendance, more season pass holders, more recent final ppearances and a grade A license.
You've won more games than us so far this year, well done, doesn't make you the "bigger" club.
Anyway, the 'takeover'.'"
I know exactly what Parasol do as a company. I can more than appreciate why the current climate would cause concern for such a company also, but you have no evidence as to suggest Parasol are on Shakey ground, other than rumour.
As for the clubs status, you will find on this forum that I have stated Hull have everything in place to be the biggest club in the country. The one problem Hull have got though, is Kath H and co, and for this reason, and this reason alone, I believe Hull will continue to struggle to realise their full potential, whilst Rovers will build on what has already been a success since our promotion.
For this reason alone, Rovers are and will continue to be the biggest, most recognised club in the city until someone with an ounce of savvy picks up the club you support and moves them in the right direction. When that happens, simply because of facillities and correct management, Rovers would struggle to compete.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Can see it being a few more than that if things don't improve.'"
Quite possibly, but the comment was that they were the "bigger club" now.
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| Quote ="Standee"Quite possibly, but the comment was that they were the "bigger club" now.'"
They finished above us and beat us three times out of four last season. They are above us now and have won our only game this year. At our ground.
As things stand, their claim doesn't look too ridiculous.
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| Quote ="Standee"Quite possibly, but the comment was that they were the "bigger club" now.'"
Looking at the SL table, by his logic Wakefield are a bigger club than Wigan!
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| Quote ="Standee"I had details a while back, it was when she bought Rihardsons though, will see if I can find them, I think Kath holds the lions share, then the Weatherills, not 100 certain mind%.
You know anything more up to date?'"
No, will have a look on Companies House website. Not disclosed in the filed accounts AFAIK.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Looking at the SL table, by his logic Wakefield are a bigger club than Wigan!'"
Not yet but we're on the up, the new stadium might just wake up this sleeping giant!
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| Company Return shows the following (# of £1 shares, % shareholding)
Kath Hetherington 245,033 30%
John Weatherill 211,034 26%
David Fulton 141,352 17%
Pauline Weatherill 115,319 14%
Jack Coupe 107,662 13%
Seven directors in total, these 5 + James Rule, Tony Sutton, have since added John Flatman.
So if, as suggested, Kath has knocked back an offer of £1.3m for her share and wanted 3 times that, i.e. £3.9m, and that's only 30% of the shares, that suggests the total valuation is £13m. 
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Company Return shows the following (# of £1 shares, % shareholding)
Kath Hetherington 245,033 30%
John Weatherill 211,034 26%
David Fulton 141,352 17%
Pauline Weatherill 115,319 14%
Jack Coupe 107,662 13%
Seven directors in total, these 5 + James Rule, Tony Sutton, have since added John Flatman.
So if, as suggested, Kath has knocked back an offer of £1.3m for her share and wanted 3 times that, i.e. £3.9m, and that's only 30% of the shares, that suggests the total valuation is £13m.
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No point in buying just Kath out as John and Pauline own 40% anyway, but I know they [idid[/i want out some time ago.
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| Cheers Mrs B
So the Shares of the board are only worth approx £800k and The Weatherills are the major shareholders, dispells a few rumours then.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Cheers Mrs B
So the Shares of the board are only worth approx £800k and The Weatherills are the major shareholders, dispells a few rumours then.'"
For a start it means that KH isn't able to block a takeover on her own, so may not be the primary stumbling block she's normally made out to be.
I'm assuming, though, that the shareholders wouldn't just flog their shares at face value - they'd want any directors loans repaid as well?
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| Quote ="Kosh"For a start it means that KH isn't able to block a takeover on her own, so may not be the primary stumbling block she's normally made out to be.
I'm assuming, though, that the shareholders wouldn't just flog their shares at face value - they'd want any directors loans repaid as well?'"
which amounts to ???? think its roughly £1m iirc
So lets say that and the Shares is £2m, what value would people put on the club from there on.
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| Quote ="Standee"No point in buying just Kath out as John and Pauline own 40% anyway, but I know they [idid[/i want out some time ago.'"
Thjats what i say, nobble away at the underlings, get a foot in and then go for kaths juggler 
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| Quote ="Hutchie"which amounts to ???? think its roughly £1m iirc'"
Somewhere around that mark I think.
Quote ="Hutchie"So lets say that and the Shares is £2m, what value would people put on the club from there on.'"
This is where it gets tricky. The club has no fixed assets so any additional value is going to be entirely based on a subjective evaluation of trading potential and 'goodwill'. Included in that would be the fact that we have an A grade licence which effectively guarantees us 9 years in SL. This is almost certainly the area where all previous attempts have fallen down since neither side would be able to point at a decisive objective value.
Of course, you don't have to buy the whole club to take it over. A majority shareholding would do the trick and might be easier to achieve...
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| Quote ="Hutchie"which amounts to ???? think its roughly £1m iirc
So lets say that and the Shares is £2m, what value would people put on the club from there on.'"
Total creditors are £1.7m, but no split of what makes them up - could well be standard trade creditors, accruals etc, so £1m for loans might not be way off the mark.
The valuation though is based partly on future earnings potential and the business has made a profit the last 3 years, only us and Leeds in this bracket, plus we have effectively a 9 year franchise. However, recent financial performance has been enhanced with the Challenge Cup runs, which won't have been planned, so I'd suggest a value of £2.5m - £3m isn't unreasonable in all honesty.
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| well lets hope a fc fan wins the euro lottery and buys the lot!
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| Quote ="chappy 72"well lets hope a fc fan wins the euro lottery and buys the lot!'"
I did but don't think £5.60 will be enough
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| I've been saying this for years, glad you are all finally thinking the same...... 
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"On the field Rovers are performing better and are the bigger club, off the field its the reverse'"
How can you be the bigger club on the field? Anyway, if it's down to size you're fecked as we've got sam moa
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"How can you be the bigger club on the field? Anyway, if it's down to size you're fecked as we've got sam moa'"
Cooke is still a fat tinker
And dont forget Chev Walkers tag......
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| Quote ="Standee"£1.3m, no wonder she laughed him out of the room.'"
Thats all Neil had in liquid cash, pity she didnt take him up on it. 
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| Quote ="Standee"I don't need to prove what I know to be true, do you know what Parasol actually do?
FC have a higher average attendance, more season pass holders, more recent final ppearances and a grade A license.
You've won more games than us so far this year, well done, doesn't make you the "bigger" club.
Anyway, the 'takeover'.'"
Agree, agree, agree and agree. Keep them, we had a better team last year, this year and probably next year. Know which boast I'd rather have 
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Agree, agree, agree and agree. Keep them, we had a better team last year, this year and probably next year. Know which boast I'd rather have
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And in 2011, with 5 overseas players max and a minimum of 8 homegrown - still confident? 
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And in 2011, with 5 overseas players max and a minimum of 8 homegrown - still confident?
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With Kath still in charge at yours? 100%, our 5 overseas will be well spent and able to START the season. 
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