Thats not correct, Craven StEAT is card transactions only. Each stall are given a card machine by Rovers before they open for the day, After the game they hand them back and Rovers transfer a set percentage of whats been made to the stall holder.

Simply responding to a post, that's all. I aren't here to antagonise, Nor have I said anything thats untrue. A healthy Hull and a healthy rivallry goes a long way to making Rugby in this city better for both East and West.

Good post Can't disagree much with that although many will

No doubt I 'll get a load of abuse for my reply but here goes.

Business model wise Rovers are without doubt moving the whole organisation forward in the realms of their domain in that they now own the ground and are hitching their wagon (nay sucking up) to the IMG stuff which is apparently the way forward, but which is it appears today scaring some more less progressive clubs to death. If I take my black and white specs off, then for all that, in the current state of the game, the club have to be commended. (But not too much

)

That said Rovers and Hull would not be as successful as they have been for as they will be without the other club, you need both clubs for the game to thrive in the City

In turn we on our part have been steadily regressing results wise yet we have made massive steps forward at academy level and are developing youngsters in good quantities that we can only hope make the grade, (much of which is due to some astute appointments in the youth training staff). Our new training arrangements are a pretty unique set up too, with a new facility about to be built at the university, and all that under a coach who I think its fair to say laid many of the foundations playing wise that Rovers are building on this season. So at last we have an excellent coach, to go with fan base which is probably the best supporter base in the game. Who else could get gates of 11,000 plus when we all know the team is playing like a bunch of petulent kids at times.

That said being just a tenant in a stadium, all be it the best ground in the competition, is not exactly ideal, and a bit of a worry. But, the biggest difference I can see is the structure at Rovers going forward, is the recruitment you have made to the Board which when compared with the days that you were a one man Band under Neil Hudgell, is pretty revolutionary across the game. You have not just brought in money (something that most clubs have found impossible anyway) but also a deal of business acumen and expertise.

We have a Board as such But to all intense and purposes we are still a one man band under a guy who has been a tremendous owner, someone who really cares, who is a fabulous benefactor and a real guiding light for our club, taking some of us to what was for the greatest moment of our lives. He is a great owner but going forward and seeing how frustrated he is becoming with some of his charges, having just one owner is a bit of a worry. Quite how we rectify that I don't know but the owner will not last forever and quite where you get a new one from in the current climate of the game is up for question. Mirroring what is going on over there is East Hull, In the old days when a chairman resigned another board member took over which usually saw a seamless transition and was not a bad scenario really.

So yeh Rovers are developing their organisation well and along the lines that the games seems to be following. Clubs falling out with IMG just goes to prove that some aren't doing as well. Mind you you core support is still about 3000 less than 'the no hopers in the West', but if you want to double your gates perhaps you should attract more People Like Billy/Keith who seems to be at least two people in one, I think you could be justified in counting him twice when he comes through the turnstiles?

Easty, I don’t have any issue with what you say but the thing is point out which quite a few kr fans don’t consider.
Last time kr owned their own ground they almost went bust.
Owning your own ground costs money.
I still can’t fathom how kr can make money from these concerts they’re holding. The stage acts, police stewarding additional staffing to hold the concert. Kr ground has limited capacity so how will they make a profit.
Craven streat is to be applauded but seriously how much will it make on match days.
I still maintain once Sewell gets his building profits he will step down

That's easy. Rovers charge a set fee of £250k. They have nothing further to do with it. All other income belongs to the organisers.

OK that's less than a years wages that you paid to Reynolds but it's still good business.

How much do Rovers make per year on average on these events then, £500k?

Quote ="Mrs Barista"How much do Rovers make per year on average on these events then, £500k?'" I doubt its that high. The three cancelled during Covid lost us £250k, So i doubt this years concerts would net £250k each. https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/ ... ronavirus/

Quote ="Mrs Barista"How much do Rovers make per year on average on these events then, £500k?'" I doubt its that high. The three cancelled during Covid lost us £250k, So i doubt this years concerts would net £250k each. https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/ ... ronavirus/

Rovers had 2 big concerts cancelled because of COVID and the club reported that had cost them £500,000.

Obviously it depends on how many concerts per year and how big a draw the artists are.

The Who and Rod Stewart may be of a certain generation but they still command a huge following, If I wanted to sit in my Rovers seat to watch them it would cost £160. All of that goes to the organisers plus all associated extras like food and drink.

Rovers just get their guaranteed £250,000 per concert no more no less.

the guarantee must have gone up a lot then as the three concerts cancelled because of covid cost £250,000 in total not £250,000 each

“The deals we have with those three concerts will net us at least £250,000 for those three events so you can image the size of that hole.”

*sorry East you have already pointed that out.

The article doesn’t say anything about who pays for the police, stewarding, insurance cover ..
I would have thought kr would pay that as ground owners.
Simon Moran, the Warrington owner is a music promoter and their ground capacity is bigger than kr ground.
Makes you wonder with his contacts why he has not held concerts if there’s that much profit to be made.

So how come Hull Kingston Rovers (Events) Ltd has only made £136k in 5 years of trading?

The years of income, doesn't match the dates we've held concerts? This subsidiary of Rovers is clearly used for something different to the organisation of concerts.

Spot on

Pearson has been alot better than likes of hetherington/rule/plumber

People wanting Pearson gone has careful what you wish for written all over it

Cause we'd struggle to get better than him

The players are the sole problem no one else

The fish rots from the head …..simple as that
He’s been there too long for it not to be his fault

He’s just a really nice guy and too soft as a
Man Manager

Softness breeds laziness and after that a cancer breaks out from the laziness

AP let this happen slowly over 10 years and presently only Tony Smith can help Adam

Are you deserting AP in his hour of need?
Thought you and him were tight mate?
You were always wanging him an e-mail back in the day..........

Don’t get the hate for Pearson personally, the facts are:

1. We wouldn’t have a club without him.
2. Up until last year we have one of the most expensive squads in the league
3. He’s funding the club with no support and he clearly needs it.
4. He’s signs off on recruitment, he doesn’t do the scouting.
5. He’s not thrown his toys out the pram and threatened to walk away
6. He’s always been willing to take losses paying deadwood off.
7. Pre Covid we had never ran at a loss

People hate on him when realistically he has the most expensive season ticket at the club.

Right now times are tough, but In his tenure he’s provided us some of the best times. He can’t be blamed for underperforming squads. That’s down to the coach and players.

It’s clear we need another investor but that should be to supplement him, not replace him. He clearly loves the club and treats us well. And most importantly better the devil you know.

Great post

Totally agree

top post hull realist

In answer to a few of these points a lot of them are just opinion and not actually fact. Heres how i see it

1. To say we wouldnt have a club without him is a guess - if he hadnt of took over then someone else would - just like if he left someone else would buy us - we wouldnt just dissapear ffs
2. Yes he spends all the money on the squad and bugger all on staff that would help out with the running of the club - thats not good and is shown in the shambolic way the clubs run in some areas
3. Yeah he has no support but that seems to be his choice - Hudgehill relaised that wasnt sustainable and has allowed other other people in, when will Pearson remove his head from the sand and do the same?
4. He recruits continually poor managers/coachs
5. Hes thrown his toys out of the pram a few times over the years
6. Not this time or players would be gonners allowing fresh blood to come in
7. The only true one

Just opinion and not actually fact!!!
1. If he left, no one leaves without selling but wtf would buy FC. Said before people are queuing up to invest never mind buying NOT.
2. He’s invested everything in the squad and training facilities and had to cut costs in admin.
3. Hudgell’s an ambulance chaser who repeatedly lost £500,000
a season, spat his dummy out, threatened to walk away until somebody felt forced to step up. It’s only rumours that AP has turned down investment opportunities. I’ve not heard anything viable. He’s openly asked for outside investment, see 1.
4. We had Gentle who I might add seemed to be the real deal. Oh my, Radford did a real number on him talking AP into getting shot and giving the job to him. McRae was another who did a number on AP. The one thing I do regret was AP kept Radford on 2 years too long. Radford oversaw our poor recruitment for his last 2 seasons and there lies the rub Taylor Shaull Griffin.
5. Bollucks, if he’d thrown the toys out the pram, you wouldn’t have something to whine about.
6. Covid left us nigh on broke, how he keeps this club going God only knows. Where does the cash come from to pay anyone off. He got shot of Reynolds, must have cost a packet.
7. Your only true quote.
You’ve always been a whinger, who rarely attended, now you’ve got the perfect excuse, you no longer live in Hull. Do us all a favour and give up. You and that barometer wielding idiot Tarquin, lives the other side of the world and pontificates on all things FC. I am and have been and always will be a pass holder, I have the right to be called a fan (fanatic) and therefore have the right to criticise my club, anyone else is a casual supporter and therefore does not have that right.
Anyone arguing that AP should sell up is an idiot. I’ve posted elsewhere that the blame should be directed from top to bottom but this squad should shoulder the blame for what’s happening now, end of.

He has been offered investment from a few people - he went to Atropa Pharmacy's MD for 200k - and he was going to give them it, but he wanted a share, or a place on the board in return. AP turned it down

Interesting when you consider Atropa is a main sponsor and seem to be well thought of by the club, yet when help is offered they are happy to turn it away. AP either has something in the pipeline or has too much pride to have more members on the board.

That is complete rubbish wherever you’ve got that from and has never happened.

Here's another blast from the past