Not sure any-one is writing Horney off, however like other performances from last season we are highlighting certain players Horney, Yeamo, Radders (to name just 3), need to improve this year to earn their place on the team...failure to do this should result in being dropped.

I dont remember plenty of games. Thorman had one decent game at Bradford the rest was shambolic. Thorman was guilty of not trying/bothering/being willing to put his body on the line for Hull FC and even if Horne was poor he wasn't guilty of that.

well said Wolfie, some people I think dont understand what a debilitating illness diabetes can be, and especially when you are playing sport and have to adjust diet and control glucose levels, that in itself is difficult for the ordinary person nevermind a sportsman, when Horney "dropped " his form he has recently been diagnosed and it takes time for the body and the person to adjust to diabetes.

the whole squad need to improve on last season, I'm not making observations about any individual until we've played at least 3 games, falling of tackles in a meaningless friendly is one thing, doing it against Saints and Huddersfield will actually matter.

Richard will always have my respect, but I wont make apologies for him if he fails to perform, likewise any other member of the squad, there are no excuses for anyone this season, nowhere to hide.

There's been a couple on this very thread.

Well more fool them then, he is a former international with a lot of talent, if he can get his form back they will look rather silly then won't they

Well put.

We have options this season so there is no reason not to select on form. I imagine the whole squad is aware of this. Going through the motions cannot be tolerated, and we also can't afford to stick with out-of-form players.

The ideal for me would to have one or two players really staking a claim in the reserves (U20's, whatever they are called this week) but the 1st team performing so well Agar struggles with selection each week.

I'll have more respect for Agar if he makes tough decisions that don't work out than if he just picks the "names" and they don't work out.

Defeat doesn't bother me so much as the manner in which we are defeated.

All teams need a defensive 6 dont they

and that quote there is the big doubt now!

Ok lets be direct over this , the initial point was that opposition fans can see he is weak, so must then the players RH is up against, yes we saw glimpses of the old RH in the Derby however he also got run over on more than one occassion in that same match before he went off .
No one wants the old RH more than me but as Standee quite rightly pointed out there is no place now at FC for sentiment and his illness and injuries is now no excuse, Like RW said in the mail , "this season a lot of players need to play or make way" !!.

He's never turned into the player he should have, for a half back he hardly dominates game. As for injuries there's always another excuse with Horne, he wasn't that great before he got injured.

There's a reason we've had him for so long, no one else would pay him what we do. For what we've spent on him we could have twice the player he is.

I know, it is a very frustrating one

He'll be a totally different player, playing with a natural 7, considering who/what he's played with in the past...........we hope.