Ditto. I like Horney, but this seems a positive move if it works out.

nope, and I dont have myopia either.

It does indeed only tell a part of the story, Ellis gives away less penalties and makes less errors.Ellis is a bigger hitter than Horney he has done a couple of big hits, he is also a better kicker, however on saying that he is not a better player than Horney at 6 yet as he has not got the experience in his thought patterns and ability to read the game like Horney imo, I think if Ellis could develop certain areas of his game he could be a very good 6, jury is still out on that though, although Gentle said he expects Ellis to be a very good footy player in the future.

Glad you are watching games, personally though those FCTV games do not give the full picture to what is happening when players have not got ball in hand

Could have fooled me, as every time Kosh posts you can't see farther than the 'green username' and actually get to the content of his post.

fair enough, if that is how you see it.

opinions are important from people you respect, enough said.

Agree with people that say it's about 6 years too late. I think he'll be a good, steady fullback, but never the great he could've become. I do think he'll be very good for us there for at least 2 seasons though.

Seymour has already been injured twice and we're only 1/2 way through his 1st season. Jury still out for me. Doesn't see enough of the ball and his kicking game isn't as good as I'd hoped, particularly close to the line. Needs to improve

Hopefully means we have a top stand off in the frame for recruitment next year in which case it's an obvious move. Not seen anything from Ellis or Nicklas yet to suggest they will be better than Horne or Seymour. For sure they're young and I'm not writing either off but top level talent shows itself early and it's a pivotal position that can't be experimented with for too long. Look at Tomkins he's young as well but has the X factor. ATEOTD young or not these guys have to step up and take their chances through performance on the field. One or both may well get that chance this year and they have to deliver.

For me Seymour is playing well enough and would not want to replace both halves next year so hope he stays.

Horne is a better 6 than 1, it's just we don't produce many quality fb's.

Gentle must have at least one half lined up, can't see it been Finch though. I'd guess he'll do 2 more years at Wigan till they get Soward.

Horne is an enigma to me I haven't rated him for a long time but when he's not playing we are worse off so he's clearly an important clog in the wheel.

I agree we definately do better when he is playing.

Been on the card a while this move. I don't see him as being a top fullback but think he will do a good job there and importantly it allows us to bring in a halfback. Seymour seems to be copping a bit of stick which is undeserved for me. He has allows been a solid halfback but nothing more. I think the problem with him and Horne is there isn't enough dynamism between them, they are a bit samey. Getting another half in along side Seymour will be a really good move for the team.

I also doubt Ellis and Nicklass will be here next year. We are looking at a halfback in the championship to come in as understudy and then a top half to replace Horne with Wade's money. Nicklas/Ellis will have a chance to impress now but they have a lot to do I think.

I honestly never even think of Horne being a Hull lad whether I applaud or slag him him. I just judge him as a Hull player, tbh you are the only one that ever seems to bring this up. I don't notice any other posters banging on continually about him being a local lad.

I think the understudy you talk of could be Matty Smith from Salford. An enquiry has been made and is ooc. Jodie Broughton is another from Salford who could be coming to us too.

Who's standing out in the championship Paul?

Hill's doing pretty well over at Warrington and Hardaker at Leeds so they're must be some talent coming through.

Why would Smith want to be a understudy with us?

How big of a club do you think we are?

I don't know who the halfback is but the prop plays for Batley, Alex Walmsley.

Matty Smith won't go anywhere to be an understudy, he's done that.

I am only stating that we have approached him but couldnt imagine him been first choice player for us. Maybe he will be first choice i dont know.

If he comes it would be as a our new half to play with Seymour. I'd be disappointed with him tbh.

Could be alot of competition for him, big unit.

Apparently Leeds interested too.

I would be dissapointed too if he was our first choice half back hence the reason i stated he would only be understudy but i dont know this and as you state he is probably unlikely to be understudy but you never know.

I can remember reading earlier in the season that Featherstone had a very promising half coming, could have a good game v hkr? don't know if its him though.

Glad to see Horney go to fullback, he can chime into the line at will and is a great back up player. Seymour has done ok for me we haven't lost many games with him in the team but needs to dominate games more like against Rovers. Ellis isn't good enough with ball in hand and not sure about Nicklas but think the club will give him a bit longer.