Hudds have done well in picking up players who wee going nowhere in their careers such as Brown, Robinson and now Brough..and turning them into better players.

this was a policy used successfully by us when Mcrae was here. We signed players like Raynor, Dowes, Brough, Thackray etc from the lower end of the table or the reserve league and turned them in to better players.

Doubt it they have a good board of direcetors who have the ambition to sign another and money to get a top coach, you watch Kearney end up there.

Some fans, definitely. My worry is not enough. As you say, we've had our 2 worst SL seasons and season ticket sales have still gone up. When will enough be enough?

Lets be realistic here.

We are not going to win anything this season.

We are not going to finish in the top four.

Wigan, Warrington, Saints, Hudds and Leeds are all better than we are.

After the last two seasons we should all be satisfied with making the play-offs IMO. If we could make the top six it should be regarded as a good season and we should be satisfied with that.

Hull have a significant number of players not playing to their potential whilst those other teams have player who are performing at their peak.

For instance, a half back partnership of Sean Long and Richard Horne looks much better on paper than Danny Brough/Luke Robinson and Kevin Brown. It also should be no worse than Thomas Leuluai/Paul Deacon and Sam Tomkins

Likewise a Front Row of O'Meley, Berrigan, Dowes/Cusack/Moa/Radford looks good on paper compared to Crabtree, Lunt, Mason or Fielden, Riddell and Coley.

In fact if you look through our team we have:

O'meley
Berrigan
Fitzgibbon

Who are all multiple SOO and Australian capped players

Calderwood
Yeaman
Long
Briscoe

Who have all played for GB/England

Together with a number of other players hwo have played for minor countries

Is the fact that many of them are underperforming down to the individuals or is it a coach who isn't getting thebest out of them?

Stop being sensible

www.sporthull.co.uk/headlines/HU ... ticle.html I wish we would stop playing 5 drives etc and maybe play expansive rugby !

www.sporthull.co.uk/headlines/HU ... ticle.html I wish we would stop playing 5 drives etc and maybe play expansive rugby !

I wish Horne would stop using a drop off then we might play a little more expansive.

I disagree with so many things in this post that I almost can't think where to begin. Let's just go with "how many of these would be up to playing in a GF"
S Briscoe
Tony
Domic
Yeaman
Raynor
Cooke
Horne
Dowes
Swain
Carvell
McMenemy
Radford
Washbrook
Whiting
G Horne
Wheeldon
King

Oh, hang on - all of them

Oh yes we certainly set alight the 2006 grand final didn't we !!!

What score did we win it again ??

We're not quick enough to play an expansive game. The opposition can read most of what where going to do because everything is 1 gear down from the rest of Sl.

it was hardly a discrace to lose to that Saints side, one of the best to feature in SL.

that said that 2006 side is better in just about every position than the current one, the backline in particular.

Injuries excuse getting rolled out as it looks like defeat in the next 3 and the pub team performance v Quins.
Agar has more spin merchants working for him than Mandelson.
If we lose the next 3 and Quins then HE MUST RESIGN

Lose the next three and confirmation that the season is over.

I think we will get two out of six, the season is still over and then we will see fans drifting away

And not having half the first team on the physio bench helps too

Griffin has always been a top class forward, Aspinwall is still average at best and are you saying honestly that G Horne has progressed at Huddersfield

And if you have half of the first team on the physio bench having a coach who can adapt his gameplan accordinaly and can motivate the players left helps too

and you really believe that dont you, you can loose a bunch of players flowing in rep honours , loose all the play makers and motivators and still win a GF, you honestly believe they are not trying dont you??
Did you ever play the game at any level??
Thats not a dig just a friendly question honestly

No your taking my quote out of context.

I am praising Browns ability to make average players look good and play well in a well drilled team (Saturday being an exception of course

)

Sorry I am not trying to belittle what you said...
What I meant was that Hudds can do that because the players who train midweek are carrying those set plays into the matches, every week however FC are cobbling together a team from the "whos left standing" scenario again which means that RA is relying more on the individuals to stand up and be counted than team plays , simple math really ..

Agar does.

Where have I said we could win a grand final with (or even without injuries), where also have I said that I beleive they are not trying ???
As for do I beleive a coach should be able to motivate players and adapt a game plan simple answer yes I do .
Did I play the game - yes at low amature level is that relevant ??

I can't see us beating Cats, not with the injuries we have. There could be as many as 12 players out and that would mean we had zero chance of winning in my opinion.

With a reasonable fit squad I would have expected us to beat Quins, Cats and Cas.

Once again then Paul M , it's the injury hoodoo striking for the 4th year in a row ie 2007 -2010 coinciding with us winning NOWT and finishing bottom and next to bottom of established SL table.
Are we a club who's success , or lack of it , is FUNDAMENTALLY & DIRECTLY linked to the physio couch.
Because that is what you are saying in your post. i.e. we would have beat 3 teams out of the bottom 4 if we had been at full strength as we were v Reds and Crusaders oops , we were at full strength , so where do you draw your conclusion in your last post ?

We played poorly in those games and deserved to get beat. I did fancy us to beat Quins, Cats and Cas but that does not mean we would have done, it's my opinion.

It's also my opinion that if we have upto 12 players out that us or any side would struggle to win a game regardless of who they were playing.