He's hopeless. I'm not blaming him for the defeat, that was our own fault.

Another game that lasted two hours.

Probably there was this type of thread last year, particularly as Catalans did the double over us and Leigh beat us at home, yet we still won the cup and nearly made the GF.

Saturday's game is massive.

Agree with every post apart from Motongo one who I think tries his heart out and at least runs hard at the line, will get better and better that kid.

We are bang average this season our attacking play is ponderous at best.

We do still have time to turn it around but I cannot see it at the moment.

ps

We will get thumped next game.

I think its different this year, the way we have won hasnt being brilliant.

The second half showing against Huddersfield is the only time we have blown anybody away and everyone is doing that to them it seems.

For me this isnt a reaction to a loss more an assessment of the first half of the season. You cant claim we are waiting to peak either because the basics seem way off as does the attitude. James Child had to tell the players to pack down in a scrum, the mid range kick off, throwing a long ball to a prop forward in your own 20 with a minute to go and the last tackle penalties. That isnt a lack of quality or effort its attitude and dumb.

I feel for Taylor and a few others. Deserve much better, this isnt a Radford out campaign I respect him and feel he knows what hes doing. However he is still learning and for me has got it wrong this season.

Ill say it - Radford has took us as far as he can

League form was poor last season but has got worse this season. I think he has an arrogance that he shouldnt have, like hes some super coach when in fact i think hes good but is not in the top percent of the best coaches in the game. He got lucky having Ellis to drive the team around, now that piece of the mix isnt there were hopeless and he hasnt got a clue how to sort it out. I think he thinks he doesnt need help. I saw Cas's coaching team on TV on fri night - Powell backed up with Orr and Sherridan - they even the Fax coach in the box listening in, Wakey had Chester with Monoghan - weve got Radford and Last - we need more quality and experience in the coaching team

Looks like it works for Cas with all their success.

Also got to mention Wakey's great season where they have lost 7/8 games.

To even suggest getting of Radford is madness, last two seasons have been the in 30 years, even this season we are still in the mix without playing well. SL is so tight these days, an off ft and you get beat.

Not suggesting we get rid but that he gets help as he cannot take us any further as is

Fair enough, possible option particularly with Horne less involved these days

Beat Cas next week and then magic after the cup. We have rovers and saints have widnes but Leeds V Cas and Wigan V Warrington so someone has to drop points. Still in our hands.

I agree and disagree at the same time.

Any extra coaches with new ideas will be welcomed and I cant see doing any harm. I dont think Radford has taken us as far as he can, he knows how to win SL and big games. I just think he thought the squad would cope better with the players we lost and could play to the style he wants. They cant but in Radford our recruitment has being sensational IMO so I would suggest work is already underway to rectify for next season.

This season is vexed IMO.

I'm not sure it is, people said we wouldn't even make the top 8 last year after big defeats at home to Leeds and Salford, same after the magic weekend and the loss to Leigh, I think are having short memories of last season, where we were equally as poor as this season.

Thinks have to improve hughly particularly our away form, where we look a different side, a lot will depend on Kelly and how long he is out for. Some players are capable but need to step up

Ive definetly not got a short memory on the matter but I take your point that certain supporters vary depending on how we have performed.

Last season I personally thought we would come good and had better players at our disposal. This season I just dont see it , I really believe we are near on performing to what is our best. If we play to our best and those above us have an off day we can win but we will not beat any side near the top when they turn up to play. Throw into the mix Warrington, St helens and Wigan have upped there standard and Cas and Leeds are still good. I find it very difficult to see us mounting a challenge for the top 4.

We were pants yesterday but we have it in us to beat Cas next up.
They didn't strike me as anything out of the ordinary watching them on Friday.
Need to get our together and try and maintain this year's unbeaten home record.
Get beaten and top four highly unlikely.

Technically there’s some truth in that. There are no more rounds in the cup after the final (hence its name), and there are only 2 rounds in the play-offs.

You say league form was poor last year, but you still came in third.

To my eye, Hull play a high intensity game based on aggressive defence, that can knock even the very best SL teams off their stride. However, you’re bound to have some low energy days in there too and when they happen they’re pretty obvious. Radford’s triumph has been to ensure they’re relatively rare. While making a profit in the transfer market.

The loss of Ellis and, despite his disciplinary issues, Watts means the rest of the pack have to step up. If you cease to dominate physically, you will drop down the table, that’s for sure. But as it stands, you’re fifth and still in with a shout.

disappointed in Bowden and green this year, on there day very good but Bowden inconsistent and green when he plays is good but just seems to be injured a lot, also don't see a lot in lane apart from effort, mini and manu again mixed bag although tbf to manu when fit hes played well, hopefully get westy up to scratch soon, still hopeful we can have a good cuprun but top 4 not looking good imo

Ultimately I think this year is proving to be a bit of a squad transition year, coupled with injuries (we've not had too much bad luck with them in the past couple of seasons) which have led to younger players getting more game time.

The loss of Ellis, Fonua and now Watts, plus an ageing Minichiello has had an impact, but in 12 months time we'll see the benefit of the game time that the likes of Fash, Matongo, Lane etc are having.

Agree that Bowden has been off his game this season, he seems to have changed his style a bit. Usually he hits contact and stays upright, facing his own line and driving backwards to make metres whilst being open for the offload. Now he seems to be more regular with his approach. Confidence maybe?

I don't think we're too far off, as long as we hit the Super 8's either in top 4 or within a couple of points, then I'd back Radford to get us to the semi's, whilst having another good cup run. The league structure as it is doesn't require a team to be perfect week in, week out, and as mentioned above, the intensity we play at sometimes means that we will get those off days.

Last night was more down to not having Sneyd (and later Kelly) on the pitch from a game management perspective and the final play calls were poor as a result. Abdull doesn't fit our style of play, and I think that was evident last night.

Could do with another mid season signing to help the forwards. Westerman can hopefully do a good job for us, but still think we need another quality prop to replace Watts. I have no concerns about us in the backs.

Aye, Phil Clarke used to waffle on about consistency of performance and narrowing the gap between best and worst, and that being the difference between the best teams and the rest. Even assuming he meant only cutting out the worst performances rather than simply being more even, it’s still pretty much nonsense. It’s about being good enough often enough and at the right times.

You been smoking crack? Theres no feckin way we'll be anywhere near the top four, Saints, Wigan, Cas, Wire are all far better sides - Were now two points behind Cas and they have played two less games than us

and penalties which are killing us

I agree about Abdull but surely thats a coaching mistake when Connor could have played half back allowing Tuimavave to start.
In my opinion Abdull,Turgut, and Downs are nothing more than Championship players and should be released end of the season allowing us to add possibly one better quality player.

Is that the Wire team that looked average against us and we beat quite effortlessly? I don't think they're all that.
I'll give you the other four. Leeds will no doubt turn it back on when it matters also. Let's not go over the top. We've had worse results mid-season and still achieved. In fact, we got battered about 5 times last season and still nearly did the double.

We're comparing league form too much to 2016. Top of the table ain't gonna happen obviously, but you don't need that unstoppable Saints form (and Cas last year) to get into the top four... or even win the GF it seems. We're missing something at the moment, but I believe it will come.

exacly what we did last year, beat the champs (wigan) and lost to the bottom club in Leigh.

There are some over reactions on this thread, but that’s not a new thing on this forum. We got beaten by a team desperate for a win. The annoying thing is we fell into their trap of it becoming a slow game.

We started without Out scrum half and our full back and lost both of the starting halves during the game.

To say many regard our pack as a massive unit, we rarely threaten the opposition line with these blokes when we have a play the ball close to the line.

...time to start watching York: 144-0 winners against West Wales Raiders.

I know its old news but we certainly miss Watts.Our pack Taylor apart is weak and we are having to use Paea much more than envisaged as he was to be our regular impact prop off the bench.
We will never know what happened internally re Watts but from a playing point of view a huge loss to the team.
i just wonder whether Kelly got a get out of jail card because of Watts going.
You can imagine the fans reaction if Kelly had been sacked meaning the club effectively dismissed their two best players.