Well the fact we struggle to score with the ball in hand suggests it is a problem.

No your not, if that was sliding forward and elbow is on ground amd player has a hand on, if player then reaches out its a second effort.

As far as i could tell Tomkins elbow was on ground and a Hull player had a hand on , so tackle complete for me.

When you see it back Hutchie you will see the try was fine.

If Horne touched the ball he was pushed into it and then tackled without the ball.

My gripe with Thaler tonight is his inability to sin bin anyone. In the last 5 mins of the 1st half he must have penalised them 3 or 4 times for professional fouls. No warnings no sin bins. That is inexcusable for me.

Our penalty count was massive though and we failed to capitalise. Its not even as if we went close. Its was easy for Wigan at times to defend. We lack composure. We lack skill, guile and the ability to control the game. We only have one set move and frankly we are at best average on attack. This has been a problem now since 2006 that's 5 years. We have had changes in personnel but still have the same problems. Its awful.

Ok we have had hb problems. Someone said we tried to get someone but it never came off in the close season. Why are we struggling to attract the right calibre of player? I bet my entire mortgage its because of the coaching set up here. As such the longer he stays the longer we will miss out.

Yes we can't fault effort tonight but Wigan should have been finished off. Effort is not good enough alone and that is why so many of us are so p@@@@@ off.

You need to watch again on SKY. Tomkins first try was obviously OK on the replay, he never stopped moving forward. Obst himself seemed very unsure about his try the look on his face gave the game away.
There was also a quite big penalty count in favour of Hull. The officials had quite a good game overall but I know how it never seems that way when you are at the game.

For Wigan this game was sandwiched between 2 quite massive cup ties and they were vulnerable. It was very much a game they could have done without. Hull had a good stab at it but made some real bad errors especially the pass to no one from Jordan Turner near his own line. O'Meley made some howlers also. As always these are the places to look rather than the referee.

Sam Tomkins what a player. For a while (Tomkins off the pitch) it was like maybe Hull can do it. As soon as he came back on you knew they wouldn't.

Thought the video decisions got them right. The problem with the officiating tonight was not dealing properly with the interference at the ptb. Wigan should have had a man binned to put a stop to it, they got away with far too much. The 'contentious' decisions being discussed, however, were called spot on and we can have no complaints.

I had a problem with the try coming from the Turner pass. The ref calls held, clearly, then Wigan have a significant 2nd effort on Phelps, from the ptb they score.

It should have been a penalty.

I couldn't understand that. Usually, if any part of the ball carrying arm touches the ground whilst the defender is touching the player results in the tackle being complete at that point

feel sorry for phelps, that is the luckiest ball bounce i have seen yet, also turner looked heartbroken after he threw that pass but you could see with the effot he put in after he was determined to make up for it, think he scored a try aswell so well done lad, starting to look like a decent centre if he keeps getting game time there, not a fan of moving players around unless your richard whiting

he should have got boot to ball and put it in row ZZ

Whats the exact rule on that?
As far as I'm aware if your arm keeps moving its fine.
Got to admit though that Tomkin's two tries were class and that one player was the difference tonight.

Exactly, it's his own fault for going into a slide 10 metres before getting to the ball.

The ball carrying arm hit the ground, if he'd slid over the line then fine, but he reached out. That's not allowed. As Hutchie said earlier.

Looked a clear try to me, the tackler had fallen off.

Thought Phelps had another pretty bad game in defence again tonight. His positioning was all over the place.

Tomkins try - the rules regarding double movements are always changing and who knows what this weeks version is so I won't argue that.

Obst non try, 50-50 but Hull get the wrong end of the stick.

Overall I didn't think the ref did too bad against a team that constantly pushes the envelope. Wigan are a fantastically inventive attacking side but they couple that with the most outrageous cheating and foul play they can get away with. They put the ref under enormous pressure and I thought he stood up reasonably well to them though he certainly could have put a couple in the bin.

What are the biggest worries for me are the injuries to Radford and Moa. I hope they are closely examined and any foul play gets suitably punished. Obviously this won't help Hull as such but the grubby cheating Wigan practice has no place in the game.

The rules aren't exactly clear on this...the rules state...

"Sliding tackle 5. If a tackled player, because of his momentum slides along the ground, the tackle is deemed to have been effected where his slide ends. (See Section 6, 3(c).)"

With regards to a second movement the rules say "When an attacking player is tackled within easy reach of the goal line he should be penalised if he makes a second movement to place the ball over the line for a try."

Given that the rule about a sliding tackle says the tackle is complete when the slide ends and the rule about a second movement refers to when a player is 'tackled' then it would suggest Tomkins was allowed to reach out for the line because the tackle hadn't been completed.

The Radford injury came from a clash of heads with Ben Cross

Agreed, if had slid over then fine. He raised his ball carrying arm off the floor and reached over the try line. No way we would have been given that try.

you can debate it all night but it was given End of story,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,let it ride..............simple fact Long Westerman and Fitz in the team and we win. Injuries and depth of squad costs us big style this season. Lets just hope it gets put right .

Agreed Paul nothing wrong with Tompkins 1st try. If you look at anything long enough you will start to to convince yourself that things are wrong with it, watch it in real time his momentum never stops it's all one movement.

Game by game I can see why the club has decided to bring in someone else for next season, he's not quite good enough.

bull ,watch it on sky super slow ,ball carrying arm does touch the ground ,and Lauaki does not have to move wigans player making wrong choice trying to run through a brick wall ,obst never ran round Lauaki ,if this is the case then all dummy runners are now obstructing

Deluded