I think Whiting is one of our better players, and the likes of him and Graham Horne are not the problem. Its the top earners in the key positions who are under performing. The Salary cap stops every team from having 17 star players.

Which ones?

Having a player like Graham Horne being a regular starter is a problem IMO, he's only here because of his brother IMHO.

If the board allow Orford to be bought out from under us and we end up with Briers or similar, there will be Hell to pay. And I think they know that.

What hell, loads of bitching on here, people will still go to the games and still buy the shirts, or i will anyway!!

"Hell to pay", in what form?

The big problem is that people will still buy passes, people can bleat all they like, but when push comes to shove they will still part with their hard earned.

Well whoever it is Agar says that we already in discussions, lets just hope they are decent players and we get them tied up first.

I'm not so sure that would be the case this time around TBH. I just get the feeling that the reservoir of optimism that generally gets fans buying stuff even in hard times is exhausted.

The club simply must not allow us to be out bid on the best available halfback during this recruitment round. A top quality scrum half is/will be the most important signing for at least a decade as things stand right now. Should kimmorley and/or Orford come to the UK to play next season then one of them has to be playing for us otherwise I will join the ranks of those who say our club lacks the necessary ambition to be successful. As things stand I'm as confident as I can be that we will get one of these players should they be UK bound.

we are fast becoming the Newcastle Utd of the RL world...potentially a big club but total lack of ambition on the boards part ensures this won't be realised.

Let's hope (for once) we get what we want....

Exactly how I feel also.

If we ended up with Briers and wire signed Orford it would be a disgrace IMO, surely we've learnt from this season that us signing other teams cast offs whilst they sign top class players simply doesn't work. If Briers is no longer deemed good enough for wire he shouldn't be good enough for us, simple as.

Exactly, but the stickers won't come off the car, and no one else called Briers wanted it

If Orford and Kimmorley are both playing in SL next year and neither one of them is wearing black & white then I for one will be spending my friday nights at home.

Are we not being a bit arrogant in thinking that either, or both, would sign for us for definate if approached?

If it comes down to a choice between us and other SL sides why would they come to Hull, as opposed to Wigan,Warrington,Bradford,Leeds etc etc.

Crusaders may offer one of them huge money.
They might like the idea of calling the South of France "home".

There are a number of reasons why players wouldn't want to come to Hull.

Money talks and whilst I understand your point there is such a thing as an offer that cannot be refused and we need to make one.

But who will cut the horses head off

I agree, but there is also the impact on the dressing room to consider, we hear rumour that there is an issue at the moment of some players feeling that others are over-paid for what they are doing, would bringing someone in on £200K a season not cause similar, possibly even wider, division?

Yes possibly. On the other hand a star player who is actually worth that amount (which everyone including the other players can recognise as being the case) should be able to be integrated into the team. If we're at full cap now (Crocker notwithstanding) I would say that too many average players are being overpaid at Hull - if they're the ones doing the complaining then I suggest they are the first to be made aware of the route to the exit.

I think Briers would do a good job for you guys, still a quality player on his day and can take charge of a game.

You have him then

Like he's done for Warrington while he's been there, they haven't come close to winning anything. No thank you.

Even considering bringing Briers in would mean mass unrest, let alone actually doing it!

Since when does winning something determine how good a player is.