One thing that can't be put in quantitive terms easily is the mentality of the players. I think I could get the team we have on paper to put 40, 50 points on Wakefield, Salford etc... The problem is getting the players' to believe in themselves, to put them in the right frame of mind to make the right decisions when it maters, to have the belief that they can go out there and beat Leeds, Wigan or St Helens. A good manager does that.

A real shame for him that with his quality he's spent his peak years in a duff side. Deserving of retiring with a couple of medals, IMO, definitely good enough.

Mrs B has already pointed some statistics that are far more relevant than offloads, metres, carries, etc.

The record in big games under Agar is not just poor it's a disgrace. Four wins in thirty games against Wigan, Warrington, Saints and Leeds. No play off win and no notable Cup win in three years.

Indeed, its all well and good running in 50+ points against the poor sides, its what happens on the day in the big games that matters.

and the obvious concern is the lack of success will make our better players want to leave and go win things (Look at what has happened to Arsenal this summer)

I had hoped that pearson's arrival would put an end to the pointless spin but obviously not

The stats from the last 10 matches would be relevant if they had moved us up the table from say 8th to 4th but as it is we're in a dog fight for 7/8/9th spot, which as previous posters have pointed out is unacceptable.

Hopefully this is how AP will see it but who knows.

Hope for the best and fear the worst.

And finally I'd be delighted to have Justin Morgan as our coach for next season and feck the 'let's get on with our nasty neighbours'.

Wow. He's a beast.

Pointless spin? It's showing how we can't finish off games even if the stats are looking in our favour.

Big fan of Willi Manu and agree he would have been even better in a good side over the past 4 years when, as well as playing with better players, he might have been coached to follow the man with ball into space instead of hanging back to take passes from a standing start.

Chicken and egg I don't know but the guy has the ability to be fixture in the SL Dream Team.

Sadly for Willi it just hasn't happened.

Read the OP. Pointless spin from the club

What exactly do you expect to be posted on a club website? It's a marketing tool first and foremost.

Endless shiite and I'm rarely disappointed

What staggers me is that we were indifferent and we stayed rooted to 8th spot and now even though we're winning more than losing we're also still glued to 8th spot. To remain in the same spot for 15 (I think that's about right) or so rounds without budging from 8th spot is a strange 'achievement' in itself.

What these stats show is that we are what's known in horse racing circles as flat track bullies. Beating up on poorer sides loses its effect if you then loser to the better sides.

For the club to include Challenge Cup games when totting up scores is a bit naff - what next? Friendlies? U20s games?

As for the question earlier about do you want entertainment or wins, I've evolved as I've got older and I now want entertainment. I walked out of the Good Friday derby with score at 22-18 as I was sick of the fact we couldn't put away the worst team Rovers have put out against us in the SL era....and haven't been back since.

I actually saw more losses than wins in 2005 yet happily made the 60 miles round trip from Cleethorpes whenever work allowed - I was always entertained back then, even with the defeats (Wigan and Bradford spring to mind.) Now I live in Hessle and even a 6 mile round trip seems too far given the fact at the start of the season the only time I was entertained was the Bradford (34-24) game. I'm normally one for supporting a manager for a long period of time (Alex Ferguson being the best example of the results of giving a manager time) but I honestly think Agar is holding the team back. Maybe I'm wrong to think that but I know I'm not alone in that view.

You could say that.

As people have already pointed out, the only stat that matters is that we're 8th in the table after 25 rounds - unacceptable on every level. If we do finish outside the eight it will be a total disgrace given the squad we have.