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Quote: cod'ead "You sound like my ex-wife

Its the view of this as a "loan" that is wrong - it should be thought of as more of a graduate tax with an upper limit on the amount you have to pay

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But you'd still be paying off the full tuition fees, surely? And when Anytown Poly is charging £9k a year for a 3 year course, that's a lot to payback before any living costs are added, regardless of how much you have to earn before you start paying.

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anyone who voted for their LOCAL politicians on NATIONAL policies is a dimwit.

I fear for HCC, special measures inside 36 months methinks.

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Quote: Chris28 "But you'd still be paying off the full tuition fees, surely? And when Anytown Poly is charging £9k a year for a 3 year course, that's a lot to payback before any living costs are added, regardless of how much you have to earn before you start paying.'"


Its not traditional debt in that form - you don't need to pay it back, the government just takes it out with your PAYE when you are eligible, if you never pay the full amount back, nothing happens

- and it doesnt effect your credit rating

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Hardly an encouragement for the graduates of tomorrow to push themselves into decent jobs

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Quote: Chris28 "Hardly an encouragement for the graduates of tomorrow to push themselves into decent jobs'"


for the sake of £40 a month?

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Quote: Standee "anyone who voted for their LOCAL politicians on NATIONAL policies is a dimwit.'"


I'd agree with that. I'm sure there are a number of decent hardworking Lib Dem councillors (there are some!) will be delighted that they've been booted out because of Clegg's lust for any sort of power.

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When I went to university (under labour) I had to pay my fees upfront before I could start university, this system would have made it easier for me to go to uni

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Quote: OmneFC "for the sake of £40 a month?'"


or £27000 in total?

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Quote: OmneFC "the limit at which you pay back has been increased by 6k (from the limit set by labour) so that you do not pay anything back unless you earn over 21k, then it is only 9% of anything over that.

So if you earn 22k on the new system you pay back £90 per year, on the old system you pay back £540, the total amount is almost inconsequential as very few people will actually pay back that amount'"

Wrong again.

For a start, the average graduate starting salary is >£25k so the 'you don't pay anything back until...' argument falls at the first hurdle. For a second, because of the way interest is now added to the loan a graduate who stays at an average salary grade throughout his career will pay back a lot more than someone who earns a packet. That figure of >80k total was calculated [ibased[/i on an average student with an average career.

Your only chance to pay less under the new system is to either be rich enough to not need a loan, become rich enough to pay the loan off quickly, or be poor enough to get support. The [iaverage[/i student is getting screwed over.

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Quote: OmneFC "When I went to university (under labour) I had to pay my fees upfront before I could start university, this system would have made it easier for me to go to uni'"


When I went to university, under the Tories (but following a system that had been in place for years) my fees were paid for me by the local authority and I received a grant from them for my living costs. Didn't cost me a penny.

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Quote: Chris28 "or £27000 in total?'"

More than that. You forgot to add interest and living expenses.

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Quote: Kosh "Wrong again.

For a start, the average graduate starting salary is >£25k so the 'you don't pay anything back until...' argument falls at the first hurdle. For a second, because of the way interest is now added to the loan a graduate who stays at an average salary grade throughout his career will pay back a lot more than someone who earns a packet. That figure of >80k total was calculated [ibased[/i on an average student with an average career.

Your only chance to pay less under the new system is to either be rich enough to not need a loan, become rich enough to pay the loan off quickly, or be poor enough to get support. The [iaverage[/i student is getting screwed over.'"


unfortunately, due to the currently economy, the average starting salary for a graduate is more in the 18-20k bracket (trust me), and graduate unemployment is at around 20%, those people (the majority) will only be paying inflationary levels of interest, which means that the their loan stays at the same real level as when they borrowed it

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Quote: Chris28 "I'd agree with that. I'm sure there are a number of decent hardworking Lib Dem councillors (there are some!) will be delighted that they've been booted out because of Clegg's lust for any sort of power.'"


Indeed, and said lust has also meant the shoddy compromise of AV will get voted down and we'll not see PR within 10 years.

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Quote: OmneFC "Not the future of our country'"


educatioin and good healthcare IS the future of our country

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