I hope its premature however its his defence that is the massive worry for me as our right edge defence was a shambles last season and against Rovers he was falling off of tackles.

correct mate.

also with a fit squad agar will put players in the team who are on form and thats how it should be,thats why i think whiting will start against saints.

That's been the biggest problem in his game since his injury/illness. He used to be a target in defence when stood at 2nd row to tire him out. Now he's a target when stood at centre because he rarely makes the first impact count. With the ball, he'll still produce what he always has alongside a good and dominant organiser, but defensively, he's a massive worry.

As has already been said, massive injuries and learning to live with an illness are something that will undoubtedly knock any player. I think everyone should afford Horne some respect, he'll come good his year next to long and with better defenders around him should be okay in that respect too. Even last year when his form wasn't great he still produced flashes of brilliance like his try at Huddersfield away where he skinned this years man of steel!

As I've said for a while now , Horne's very overrated and don't understand why we've kept him for so long.

His defence is the worry, no doubt at all. It used to be such a strength too. It must be a weight/power thing and it needs addressing.

On a huge chunk of money. 2 more seasons of him as well.

He's always missed lots of tackles. Not down to his diabetes IMO

Got to make it at least ten, i remeber round five last year 100% record, people buying grand final tickets!

since hes come back from his injury and diabetas hes been very poor and he will be the first to admitt that,class is permanent and you dont become a bad player over night,i thought in the derby he showed a few glimses of what he can do by setting up 2 tries,it was only a few years ago he got that try scoring record wasnt it,i personaly believe he will be back to somewhere near his best this year now he has a great player in long with him,ive said all along we never replaced cookie but now we have.

horney should not be written off.

Well said

Not sure any-one is writing Horney off, however like other performances from last season we are highlighting certain players Horney, Yeamo, Radders (to name just 3), need to improve this year to earn their place on the team...failure to do this should result in being dropped.

I dont remember plenty of games. Thorman had one decent game at Bradford the rest was shambolic. Thorman was guilty of not trying/bothering/being willing to put his body on the line for Hull FC and even if Horne was poor he wasn't guilty of that.

well said Wolfie, some people I think dont understand what a debilitating illness diabetes can be, and especially when you are playing sport and have to adjust diet and control glucose levels, that in itself is difficult for the ordinary person nevermind a sportsman, when Horney "dropped " his form he has recently been diagnosed and it takes time for the body and the person to adjust to diabetes.

the whole squad need to improve on last season, I'm not making observations about any individual until we've played at least 3 games, falling of tackles in a meaningless friendly is one thing, doing it against Saints and Huddersfield will actually matter.

Richard will always have my respect, but I wont make apologies for him if he fails to perform, likewise any other member of the squad, there are no excuses for anyone this season, nowhere to hide.