Is it classed as a sell out if a pass holder doesnt turn up ?

Have all the KC derbies been on sky?. If so, the ground will not be to capacity due to the big screen.

No, first one was but the second and third were not, the last one was and so is this one.

2nd one in 07 wasnt , luckily

Anyways, the capacity is down by about 7.5 - 8% due to the unreserved.

Has to be 10% of each unreserved area kept free

Then theres a bit lost to segregation too

To let them have space for their drool trays

Surely you could a lot of lose the segregation in the 10%.
Also as we have a lot more passholders than in 2007 does that mean the percentage of unreserved counts as less this time.
I would think we could get closer to 24000 this time.

The proportion of the ground for unreserved is the same I think. we have plenty of unreserved passholders mate

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A couple of years ago the East Stand only had for e.g. 4 sections of Reserved now it is about 6 or 7. So do they look at each stand's reserved and then take 10% off the rest, or do they just take 10% off the overall capacity. Because if this is the case then 25,500 - 10% = 2550 which means the capacity will only ever be 23000, unless the stadium is extended

10% of unreserved sections have to be held back.

With all of the East Stand reserved next season (and possibly some of the South) the maximum attendance will be a few hundred higher.

You positive the East is fully reserved next year?

No, but Rule has already mooted it.

This is what still is annoying re having the KC record - how can they say it's only safe to have 23,000 Hull & Rovers fans in the ground (with never any trouble), yet they safely crammed 24,000+ City & Leeds fans in, where the potential for trouble must surely be higher at any time?

Because the administration at our club is retared, they cannot make 2 stands that are not in use all season reserved seating therefore pushing our gates up. City have had over 25k in there for some game with segregation.

Or are you lot really that bad that you need more segregation than Leeds Utd?

its mainly due to the unreserved seating. Although i've never understood why they don't make the West Upper and North stand reserved for the derby, as that would add hundreds of tickets to be sold.

from Rule's comments and reading on here, it sounds like the East is to become completely reserved next year, but with new unreserved areas at the ends of the West stand.