I’m not going to shoot down young Charles as he came on and had a go, but I can see why Smith would be hesitant to play him every week as physically he’s not there yet, hence tanginoa isolating him and running over him for our 2nd half try.

I think when trueman is back you will see him and hoy at 6 & 7 more often then not. Don’t want to ruin the kid now, and thinking he can have a run because of an ok 20 min wind assisted period could be grasping at straws. You only have to look at how stavely started vs his last game. Very difficult to maintain.

What helped Charles is your forwards actually started running straight and hard. A 4 of Pele, Ashworth, Ese Ese and let’s say Jack Brown should be doing a lot better than they currently are. Add in Sao it’s a pretty big pack but it’s not getting you in positions enough to do anything about it

Well apply for the job. It’s always easy to coach from a keyboard. We’ve been sh*te since 2017 so it’s clearly deeper than our superficial analyses on these forums. So whilst some of the weaknesses we can all outline maybe valid it’s the ‘culture’ issue that needs addressing. TS is actually having to do it publicly. Even as a seasoned coach he may get some things wrong but if it is as easy as people suggest on here then we would be winning.
I was pleased there were no red or yellow cards, there was go forward, some useful youth, some recovery in the second half( ah but Rovers eased off- can’t please anyone) Need to get behind the club because that will help too. We have no cash, not the best squad but luckily all the fans know the answers so the future is bright. TS has a tough gig -no choice but to support him

To be fair too the forwards, the play the ball has been a mess, hooker slow to get there or very slow to pass the ball out, its allowed oppo teams to stifle us, looked far better when nu brown went to 9 and tidied it up

Watched it again, don't ask me why, Brown certainly sped up the ruck, but needs to do better defensively, theor 1st amd 3rd try was his fault.

Just don't Ockunbor, workd really hard defensively, but just want the ball, 3 hit ups all game is shocking.

We still have a big unbalance with who dies the work in attack our backs who actually particularly strong do far too much work with Sao and Ese Ese going alot of work, whilst the rest of the forwards do very little.

Ashworth, Ockunbor, Pele amd Lane need to do more work with the ball.

Just had a look at some stats and surprisingly we had more tackle busts than Rovers and also less missed tackles.
Our missed tackles are much more crucial. They're directly leading to trys more often. Nobody else is making a cover tackle if somebody misses.
We only had 3 play the balls in Rovers 20m zone, whereas they had 33. Gave ourselves no chance

FWIW Without Houghton Rovers would have hit 50. Charles was one of 3 players that looked good for Hull. Brown saved 3 tries and at hooker looked ok. Ashworth is a hand full but the rest of the team are atrocious.

I get you are unable to admit, due to the pain that Rovers are a very good team, improving all the time under a brilliant coach but getting a high from these shortsighted comments do nothing but show how painful it is to see Hull as a bottom 2 team.

Will he be still brilliant when he hasn’t delivered a trophy….your nowhere near the level of Sts or Wigan,Warrington have already done you..Catalan are a better team so your stuck in the middle teams as for us…yes we are a bottom 2 team but not long ago you wasn’t even a S/L team but got to your heady heights by rebuilding and we will as well….so don’t get to cocky pal as it doesn’t last at all.You choked in a final and then got a absolute battering in another semi final…end of the day mate…no matter where both teams finish in league,it’s a results business and we will both win nowt.At least we have won something in the last 39 years

I really enjoyed watching young Jack Charles when he came on, for a scrawny little kid he was full of confidence, coming on when your teams getting dry b#mmed has to be hard but he was straight in, trying to make things happen, he's still too lightweight to play every week though and will get targeted in defence too, but he showed that cockiness that good halfbacks have.
Okunbor, what can you say....
Scored his first try and got 5 phone numbers from that young dance troop so he had a great day lol
Seriously though he needs a rocket up him, he's too passive and laid back for this sport, he did really well to get his try but for the rest of the game he was anonymous.

As for the game, forget the final score, forget the second half revival, that first half showed just where TS has took you, you look unfit and that leads to a lack of line speed and indiscipline. You need a massive preseason, get the team super fit and you'll be competitive, unfortunately though TS likes an easier approach to preseason.

Wigan, Saints and Catalans would have cricket scored you yesterday, they wouldn't have gone away from the game plan like we did second half, we obviously don't have that mentality yet but I'm hopeful we'll get there.

See all the dobbins out in force. Bet the cider sales rocketed yesterday

Begining to think our issues are more off field training issues.. as someone stated previously, we promote a data analylist to conditioner ! so TS, SG ( what does he do?) & Grix who is attack coach.. Rovers have Willie P, Danny Ward, Brett Delaney and Dave Hodgson and no doubt conditioners too. It all starts from the back room staff and obviously the lack of cash and cost cutting has to be a large part of our current plight..

Cider sales,crusty socks and bet a few baby’s born in 9ths as well

I was shocked to be honest when I looked at the list of background staff. One strength and coditioning coach new to the role. A relatively young head physio with an assistant a year out of university and a sports scientist again fresh from Hull Uni.

I'm not doubting any of their qualifications but there's not much experience.

I was told ( and someone might tell me differently, thats fine) that kr had gone thru several physio's this season already due to not a nice environent to work in !

Even before TS we've always been light on the number of backroom staff we've had in comparison to the top clubs

If you have read Gaz Eliis's book you'll know that Grix was brought in becuase Smith was taking a step back from hands on day to day coaching.

Not read it..

I think there's the skeleton of a half decent team in there if only we start picking players in their proper positions and just start playing with a bit of pride. Maybe Rovers eased off a bit in the second half, I'm not sure, and I know we had the wind, but either way it was miles better from us, and if we had brought that from minute one we just might have given ourselves a chance.

Maybe it is a bit early to be making Charles the main man, but at the minute I don't see a better option. Smith tries hard but just isn't good enough, and if it wasn't already obvious that Brown should be at 9 then it certainly should be now. Tell Charles he's got the job until Trueman is back, and just him go and express himself and make mistakes and learn from them. I think he's really got something, but he needs the exposure at this level to be able to develop.

If we can avoid our props being banned all the time I think we can do OK. Ese'ese and Pele were a handful when they were on together. Pele has a lot to work on but I'm sure there's a player in there somewhere.

A lot of people call Okunbor lazy. I think he's just a little bit soft. He seems reluctant to do the tough stuff, and doesn't seem at all keen on putting himself in places where he knows it's going to hurt. He makes a lot of tackles, but he's windy. I'm not sure that's something that you are ever going to be able to change.

Okunbor isn't the player I had hoped for. He may get better or might not. But if you've played the game he isn't Windy. . Not one of those players from both sides are Windy. You can't play rugby at that level if you are.

The thing is, there's windy and there's windy. Anyone who plays the game isn't soft, it's a tough way to earn a living. However, some players are definitely braver than others and he just seems to lack that willingness to put his body on the line imo. Maybe I've got him wrong, but if feels like he gets about the pitch and gets through a decent amount of work, but it's all a bit half hearted. You can't go through the motions in this game.

I’d suggest 3 runs for 58 meters and thats inflated with a charge down is pretty lazy, first carry in the 31st minute for a second rower is a disgrace.

Sadly this constant living in the past is probably the reason your in this mess. Every single Rovers supporter is more than happy to keep progressing bit by bit, year on year. As for Hull they are lower than Rovers have ever been without the huge safety net of a points system you are facing oblivion.

What astounds me the most is why Hull fans buy the rhetoric and propaganda spines by Pearson every year and now his apprentice Tony Smith.

If and it’s a big if Pearson is telling the truth he has spent to cap, Smith should be sacked now buying the misfits he as.

3-5 years of this would destroy the most hardened supporters but that’s what the future holds for you.

We appreciate you concern. Now jog off there's a good lad

So he can get his mid morning nap

Oh poor things
Could it be that they were not considered to be up to the job that the coach demanded.
Say what you like about HKR they are miles ahead of us,not just financially but in quality players and a no nonsense coach who has the team very fit and made them difficult to beat with a tough defence.

Take a note tinkering Tony Tough defence