You have to admit that there's bugger-all evidence that Agar has what it takes at this level. The bloke can't even manage his interchanges.

They will because he will be able to play to his strengths (within the squad, like he is this year by playing it in the forwards), we have no half backs, how do you expect him to coach inventive attacking rugby when he hasn't got the personnel to do that.

Heard that tonight too whilst waiting to throw my money away at the bookies

can Kath not sneakily change the words 'Leeds Rhinos' to 'HullFC' in the contract in Gary's briefcase

Morgan is miles better than Agar in every area, better tactics, recruitment, speaks better to the media..

Just got back now, I've got one of those posh google phones so I can use the net on the move, posted whilst at the ground and on the park and ride.

I expect him to get the best out of what he's got and he's miles away from doing it. If sean long had of swapped sides tonight it would have made no difference whatsoever. fitzgibbon, tansey and kite may have made the game a little closer but we'd still have been well beaten by a side who looked 100 miles an hour faster than us in every facet of the game. Now if you think changing 4 or 5 players is going to change that then you're deluding yourself

The syle of rugby is poor. I can't stand media whore Morgan, but he gets the best out of his players. We seem to struggle at that.
Agar has one year on his contract after this year. Can't see him going anywhere just yet. The pressure will be on him next year though.
His team, his style of play. I reckon he'll be judged next year.
We've seen what Tony Smith has done, with the same set of players that James Lowes had at Warrington though. A good coach goes a long way................

not when they are at loggerheads he doesnt

exactly, you didn't see Wire messing about 'waiting for next year' they acted swiftly, and spent money where it was needed.

It's not just the 4 or 5 players thing though, he'll have a leader, organiser and inventor on the pitch next season and he'll have had 4 months (minimum) of him working with the squad. I've been one of Agars loudest critics but he's had nothing to work with.

Can people who have been tonight comment on this thread or is it just for the armchair fans ?

They only kick off with each other after a loss..oh dear should be fun and games for Justino again tonight

he's been heavily involved with the side since Kear's days, its hardly like he walked in last season and had to be introduced to everyone. The problems should have been obvious before he even got the head coach's job, its a whole year later and we're no better than we were then.

Mate, you're living in cloud cuckoo land. A lack of a half back doesn't stop us from getting quick PTB, dominating the opposition in defence, making effective interchanges, offloading the ball, backing up the man in posession, running dummy runners, kicking the ball effectively, chasing down kicks as though we're actually interested. It's all down to pish poor coaching. You can tell yourself all you want that sean long will make everything OK again but take it from me, he won't

He couldn't do anything as assistant coach, our main problem lies with the personnel on the pitch, something he could do nothing about until now because of contracts etc.

They saw it needed changing, & did it.
Very pro-active & it's paid off.
No chance of Hull ever doing it though!

I'll give you the interchange thing, but look at us in attack totally unorganised which means should we ever get the quick ptb (usually on the back of Cusack, Dowes or Manu) the only option open to the acting half is to scoot themselves because nobody is ready. Look how slow we are to tap the ball on the 20 ffs. Again support play and offloading is nothing to do with Agar it's been atrocious for years, kicking again is down to lack of personnel Richard Horne should not be anywhere near kicking a ball but has to because there is no one else. We do need more enthusiasm in both attack and defence and maybe once Agar can offload some of the players who are clearly going through the motions this might change.

that will be happening aswel

Codswallop. It's down to coaching, whether that be Agar or the coaches before him. The fact he inherited a problem and hasn't fixed it does not clear him of being at fault.

He's got the same lazy players, let him build his squad and then judge him. Constant knee jerk reactions in regards to coaches by the board only have a detrimental effect in the long run.

it has been obvious for years, so do you not think that the very minute Agar took over he should have made it his top priority, asking the board to bring in a new attack coach if necessary? just what has he done to change anything?

instead we've had a whole year of no progress, in fact i think its actually worse, because at least last season we had the injuries excuse and were getting players like Fellous in just to make a team.

It's not him it's the players that are too lazy to support any breaks made, and Agar hasn't been able to change that because players were tied to contracts.

I've said this before: He's got a healthy amount of the same players McRae did when we commited men forward to both aspects, and other players we've seen do it at their previous clubs before joining Hull. Suggesting it's down to the players not being able/willing to do it when we've seen them do it for others before is looking for excuses for him. It's blatantly obvious that it needs fixing, if he can't see it he shouldn't be a coach, and if the players all won't do as they're told (because we pretty much have nobody doing it, it's not just a few) he's either not strong enough or we need an entire new squad. I fail to believe it's the latter.

Shaun McRae had a far better squad at his disposal and still achieved nothing, and Agar doesn't have a playmaker.

So we've managed to assemble a squad comprised entirely of lazy b'stards? Uniquely in SL? Nothing to do with the coach whatsoever?



There are clearly issues with the playing staff, but to completely absolve Agar of any blame whatsoever just flies in the face of common sense.