As the saying goes, nothing is ever won in round one, but bloody hell, we are in some deep trouble if that is going to set the tone for our season.

Our discipline has been a shambles for years now, and here we are, with a whole turnover of players, and we still have the same results?

The Pele red is unforgivable. A great initial hit spoilt by a terrible swing, he’ll be looking at a hefty ban thanks to Fozzard and co.

Two games on the bounce we have been nilled, it has to be ringing alarm bells even at this early stage, with Truman not back till May something really needs to happen.

Defence, okay in parts, but still so sloppy in others, there’s talk about Smiths tackling techniques he’s tried to implement, is it just too much?

The worst thing is that Rovers weren’t that much better either, barely got out of 2nd gear and could’ve ended up with 30+

Deflated is the word I feel, which isn’t how I should feel at the start of having the game/club i love back. We’re going to be doing it tough on numbers at what will be an excited Warrington, not holding my breath for a result.

Absolutely awful, not a single positive and injuries and suspensions coming. We will be lucky to get 11th

I thought Ligi was good. He gives me the slightest hope that our back row isn't as weak as I originally thought.

Whilst most will only look at Pele's second effort in his send-off tackle, his first effort was a beauty. Absolutely smashed Minchella to the ground

Listen, we're a bottom half of the table team right now. That's were we are. Tonight was one game and I understand that losing a Derby is emotional, but this season is about trying to make strides to make improvements from where we were last season.

We had a lot of adversity go against us tonight and Rovers did a professional job on us.

We're not gonna chllenge for silverware this season, we can just hope to try and improve on a week to week basis and hopefully unearth some new talents to come through from the club system.

I don’t see where the points are going to come from on the pitch was zero threat

Oh for Kelly & Sneyd at 6 & 7.
Never been properly replaced.

I'm feeling nostalgic for the Gale/Reynolds partnership after what I witnessed tonight.

I wish I got a week or weeks ban from work when I make a mistake. I'd be making those mistakes all the time and be putting my feet up.

There's definitely an attraction for being banned.

right about sneyd and kelly,we are back in the bad old days before them,when we had whitihg,washbrook,tommy lee,thorman,berrigan taking turns at being a half.decent players in the right position,but woeful at halfback.we knew last july we were losing clifford and according to dan tomlinson,hull were glad they knew early and had the situation well in hand..poor recruitment.

Were any good no7s available for non marquee money though? We have to be realistic joining a skint 10th place isnt the deal of the century for a decent young player and its only going to get harder the longer we struggle

I'd go further. Smith admitted that the club knew Clifford was putting himself in the shop window and if he performed a return to the NRL was a strong possibility. No contingency plan it seems.

Brown is a good player, he must be to get in the NZ team but he's a hooker not a half back.

We signed a quality half back last season. We just couldn't keep hold of him.

Oh dear, so much for trying to stay positive!!
Struggling to see any positives to take going forward into next week, next month, the rest of the year.

It's already looking like it could be a long, long year for the faithful

The dogfight with London for the wooden spoon could at least keep things slightly interesting.

I suddenly like IMG's franchise idea more than ever

The London game in a couple of weeks is going to be a 4 pointer.

Ye, it's gonna be a biggie after coming off the drubbing against Wire.
We might even get on the scoreboard.

Radders could attract players like Frank "the tank" Pritchard to play on our bench. Smith can only attract Okunbor as our starter.

Mini, Sika snd Ellis in the back row and Frank off the bench is why we were competing at that time. Smith gets a star like Clifford, and he can't keep him happy.

We don't appreciate how good we had it with Radders. Bonaire was adamant we'd be better off without him.

Thank the lord for IMG

Things have changed financially since 2013-2015 when those players agreed to join. The gap between SL and NRL is wider, older NRL players arent interested in coming for a last big pay day any more and there were no marquee players then it was a level playing field if you spent the cap.

The clubs recruitment has been poor for years but you cant compare what happened a decade ago to different circumstances now.

Rubbish!

Since then, Salford have reached a Challenge cup final and a Super league grand final, and they get raped of players every season. And Leigh have won the challenge cup and invested their winnings in signing a state of origin player.

So the Wigan game where we were told by some, that it was just a meaningless friendly really turned out not to be so meaningless after all
Yes in terms of competition points it was but in terms of preparation and how far we had evolved as a team it told us everything.
Not very far.
Tony Smith after each friendly saying how we were going to improve our discipline, well I've seen no evidence to prove that at all.
And like the Wigan game another ill disciplined and unorganised performance.
There's been no improvement at all.
A clueless spine devoid of any creativity.
Slow ball movement and lack of runners or support.
London aside ( fingers crossed) it's hard to see where we'll win a game let alone score.
Tonight I thought Martin stood up well along with Ashworth and Smith.
It's going to be a long slog yet again but I'm buckled in for the ride.

Moylan played SOO for 1 series 8 years ago and seemingly has an iffy injury record and I doubt we had the cash to outbid Leigh. We are shopping in Home Bargains with our debt issues.

Salford had an amazing recruitment for 2019, but last time I checked they are also now skint and have 24 players on their books.

Smith confirming that Sutcliffe had a bug, but surely you dont name a player whos ill in your starting lineup? Dont think his inclusion would have made a huge difference given how bad we were in other areas but that has got me baffled.

What did Adam do with our winnings from back to back Challenge cup wins?

Radford was left to only bring in Albert Kelly who's career was stagnating at Rovers. Radders made him into a man of Steel contender, a year after turning Houghton into our only ever man of steel winner.. Then Radders had to find cheap gems, which he did, like Ratu and Satae, but he wasn't given the money to replace his leaders with other leaders. because the funds just were not rewarded to him for his efforts. He had to bring Ellis out of retirement at nearly 40 years of age.

I know a lot of posters think that Brad Fash and Joe Cator are too small and would prefer them out of the team. Well you got your wish tonight for 75 minutes. You got the big pack you desired.

How did that go for you?

Me personally, I think Brad Fash is our best player. We missed him big time tonight.