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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"As far as I can hear, its the fans that make the noise, not the ground
We don't have debts of £2m
As per the last accounts we had total liabilities of £1.7m and after netting that off with the current assets its net current liabilities of £728k.
You have mentioned in the past that the company has no assets. Ignoring the revaluation of players with goes against the accounting standards, there is a further revaluation of a tangible asset (£280k). This could only be land and buyings as its the only real assets which will have appreciated in value from original purchase date.
Earlier in the thread you claimed Hull have lost home advantage as we don't train at the KC.
Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea don't train on their home ground and it doesn't seem to have adversley affected them.
But, why let a few facts get in the way of your hatred for those who run Hull FC
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Thank god for a voice of reason.
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"So are u happy with us being balance sheet insolvent? We do know know we have an asset, the gym on Gordon st. But that's something the board didn't even know about. As for man u and nal, u think Fergie and Wenger would be happy with one hour a week on home turf? Besides, those grounds have atmosphere icon_wink.gif'"
So does the KC when were playing well. People seem to be under the impression that the boulevard was constantly a-sway with noise and cheering. It wasnt. Some of the best atmospheres Ive seen in my 25yrs of going have been at the KC. As for atmosphere, old trafford didnt have much at the grand final. I take it by this post that you think the boulevard will become an asset, despite it haemoraging the club money in its final years. Of course, for something to be an asset, you have to own it, where we going to get that kind of money from. The boulevard is a once great ground that should be left were all once great grounds should be left, in the past.
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| as someone not blinkered by the pre threepenny redevlopment boulevard i going to say that the place was atotal s**t hole. The amazing atmosphere was non existent, even in the "world famous" threepenny stand it was just a few drunks shouting . the ends were as bad as anything at odsal and the east stand shoudl have been shut on safety grounds 15 years ago.
the day hull go back there they will lose thousands of the newer fans, people arent going to keep going in the numbers they currently do to a bodge job version of the halliwell jones which is the most hull would get built for them if they went back
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"As far as I can see the players on the pitch wearing a Hull FC shirt got us to the finals, not our ground. And I'm sure if you look at our expenses you'll see the KC is not a glittering gold pot for us, it is for others. It has become a bit of a mill stone, do you think wigan or hudders pay £2500 per game to use the scoreboard?
So if it has brought untold riches why do we have a £2 million debt with an annual income of £5 million?'"
Attendances more than doubled when we moved to the KC. Even given the general rise in SL crowds over the last few seasons should we still be at The Boulevard we'd be getting crowds of around 7-8,000.
Without the move to the KC we would have struggled to reach three finals and would have got a "C" grade licence at best. At worst we may have gone into administration.
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| Quote ="Bighead"as someone not blinkered by the pre threepenny redevlopment boulevard i going to say that the place was atotal s**t hole. The amazing atmosphere was non existent, even in the "world famous" threepenny stand it was just a few drunks shouting . the ends were as bad as anything at odsal and the east stand shoudl have been shut on safety grounds 15 years ago.
the day hull go back there they will lose thousands of the newer fans, people arent going to keep going in the numbers they currently do to a bodge job version of the halliwell jones which is the most hull would get built for them if they went back'"
Who wants the type of fan that supports a club on the basis that their ground is new and pretty? We'll keep the real rugby league fans wherever we play!
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Who wants the type of fan that supports a club on the basis that their ground is new and pretty? We'll keep the real rugby league fans wherever we play!'"
and like it or not we'll go back to 5,000 crowds and not challenge for silverware for the forseeable future.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Who wants the type of fan that supports a club on the basis that their ground is new and pretty? We'll keep the real rugby league fans wherever we play!'"
Are you for real?
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Who wants the type of fan that supports a club on the basis that their ground is new and pretty? We'll keep the real rugby league fans wherever we play!'"
Now, there is a well balanced arguement. 
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"So are u happy with us being balance sheet insolvent? We do know know we have an asset, the gym on Gordon st. But that's something the board didn't even know about. As for man u and nal, u think Fergie and Wenger would be happy with one hour a week on home turf? Besides, those grounds have atmosphere
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Man Utd do not train on Old Trafford at all  Not sure about Arsenal.
Its not about me being happy or not about the state of the balance sheet. Its been poor for a while, but its a lot better than it used to be.
I see no one has mentioned the 190k of profit made (this in a season we DIDN'T make a major final, year to 31 October 2007). Of course not, that would actually be giving some credit to those in charge.
Back on topic, the council should do the honourable thing and put the Boulevard out of its lingering misery once and for all and flatten the place.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Who wants the type of fan that supports a club on the basis that their ground is new and pretty? We'll keep the real rugby league fans wherever we play!'"
It's a shame people disagree with you, as they tend to forget the salary cap max is only £1.8 million so it doesn't matter jack if our income is £10 million or £4 Mill.
A rebuilt Boulevard would command the same crowds as we have now, if not more (Rovers aside), due to the simple fact we would not HAVE to charge £24 a ticket to watch.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Man Utd do not train on Old Trafford at all '"
Defo?
100%?
Never?
Funny, all those videos of the greats over the years must have taken place on the cobbles of Coronation Street with a computer generated backdrop of the Stretford end 
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"It's a shame people disagree with you, as they tend to forget the salary cap max is only £1.8 million so it doesn't matter jack if our income is £10 million or £4 Mill.
A rebuilt Boulevard would command the same crowds as we have now, if not more (Rovers aside), due to the simple fact we would not HAVE to charge £24 a ticket to watch.'"
So anything over the cap we just way or claim never existed rather than investing in say, coaches, gym stuff, paying off debts, paying off the increased debt incurred by rebuilding the Boulevard, maintaining the boulevard, if your looney tunes idea ever comes to fruition etc?
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"It's a shame people disagree with you, as they tend to forget the salary cap max is only £1.8 million so it doesn't matter jack if our income is £10 million or £4 Mill.
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er... yes it does
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| Boulevard in the History books which is where it will stay !
Let's say we built a 'Keepmoat' - who on earth is paying for that ?? 30 million wasn't it ?
Thousands were drawn to the KC - they won't put up with a shabby stadium with standing instead of seats.
It is a shame SMC benefit so heavily from our crowds but didn't Kath & co. have a hand in that deal - completely misjudging fans reaction ??
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"So anything over the cap we just mickey way or claim never existed rather than investing in say, coaches, gym stuff, paying off debts, paying off the increased debt incurred by rebuilding the Boulevard, maintaining the boulevard, if your looney tunes idea ever comes to fruition etc?'"
That's the music the players will run out to at the new ground.
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| Quote ="al283"Boulevard in the History books which is where it will stay !
Let's say we built a 'Keepmoat' - who on earth is paying for that ?? 30 million wasn't it ?
Thousands were drawn to the KC - they won't put up with a shabby stadium with standing instead of seats.
It is a shame SMC benefit so heavily from our crowds but didn't Kath & co. have a hand in that deal - completely misjudging fans reaction ??'"
Not sure they do, though. If we turn over £4m and spend £2m on players/management wages, say another £1m on other costs, we can't be giving them any more than £1m can we? In the context of City's Sky income and gate receipts, can't see that what we pay them is material. 
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"It's a shame people disagree with you, as they tend to forget the salary cap max is only £1.8 million so it doesn't matter jack if our income is £10 million or £4 Mill.
A rebuilt Boulevard would command the same crowds as we have now, if not more (Rovers aside), due to the simple fact we would not HAVE to charge £24 a ticket to watch.'"
And there goes the last remaining shred of any credibility you might once have had. 
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| Quote ="Kosh"And there goes the last remaining shred of any credibility you might once have had.
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And you lost yours once you became a spod, i mean mod
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"And you lost yours once you became a spod, i mean mod'"
Wahey! Playground comebacks as well!
Why not spend your time more constructively by researching some of the costs associated with an RL club that aren't covered by the cap, and why it might be a good idea to have some money to pay for them. 
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| couldnt agree more. get rid of the KC.
while you are at it, forget about the boulevarde as well, move back to the original ground at St. Mary’s Church in Lowgate. heck, get rid of that damned merger with Hull White Star too.
and people wonder why RL doesnt grow much in england?
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| ill informed comments off radford but i cant believe some fans would want to go bach there. 
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| Quote ="dally messenger"couldnt agree more. get rid of the KC.
while you are at it, forget about the boulevarde as well, move back to the original ground at St. Mary’s Church in Lowgate. heck, get rid of that damned merger with Hull White Star too.
and people wonder why RL doesnt grow much in england?'"
You think that Leeds playing at Headingly is damaging their fanbase or on the field success? Has Huddersfield had unbelievable crowd growth and on field success since moving to Galpharm? Has international RL improved since the inclusion of Quins/Sheffield/Gateshead?
Hull's record attendance was set in 1936. 28798 were at the Boulevard. Why don't we get that many at the KC? Safety restrictions? Because of small minded people that don't like all seater stadiums?
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| Quote ="Raggytash"You think that Leeds playing at Headingly is damaging their fanbase or on the field success? Has Huddersfield had unbelievable crowd growth and on field success since moving to Galpharm? Has international RL improved since the inclusion of Quins/Sheffield/Gateshead?
Hull's record attendance was set in 1936. 28798 were at the Boulevard. Why don't we get that many at the KC? Safety restrictions? Because of small minded people that don't like all seater stadiums?'"
All seater stadiums kill the atmosphere IMO
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| Quote ="Raggytash"You think that Leeds playing at Headingly is damaging their fanbase or on the field success? Has Huddersfield had unbelievable crowd growth and on field success since moving to Galpharm? Has international RL improved since the inclusion of Quins/Sheffield/Gateshead?
Hull's record attendance was set in 1936. 28798 were at the Boulevard. Why don't we get that many at the KC? Safety restrictions? Because of small minded people that don't like all seater stadiums?'"
Because it doesn't hold that many. HTH
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