There are a lot of folk in the team that have to live up to their pre season hype lets hope they all do at the same time huh, just as Fozzard drives it in for the first time !!

and meets ....wait for it....

AN HAME OF ONE!!! be on a t shirt in a week


ok im off

There were plenty of games last season where Horne was alot worse than Thorman, especially in defence which used to be 1 of Horne's big strengths.

It may sound harsh and blunt however i think Horne is on his last legs and we need to start grooming Washbrook/Turner for the 6 role.

Don't know about last legs, that might be a bit premature. He does however need a big season and he might just deliver with having someone like Long to take the pressure off.

spot on, he has had a really hard time with getting used to the diabetes and that took its mid season last year, after starting off very well

he'll suprise his doubters this year

Here's hoping. We have more depth about the side this season especially within the forwards. No player should be in a comfort zone this season.

I hope its premature however its his defence that is the massive worry for me as our right edge defence was a shambles last season and against Rovers he was falling off of tackles.

correct mate.

also with a fit squad agar will put players in the team who are on form and thats how it should be,thats why i think whiting will start against saints.

That's been the biggest problem in his game since his injury/illness. He used to be a target in defence when stood at 2nd row to tire him out. Now he's a target when stood at centre because he rarely makes the first impact count. With the ball, he'll still produce what he always has alongside a good and dominant organiser, but defensively, he's a massive worry.

As has already been said, massive injuries and learning to live with an illness are something that will undoubtedly knock any player. I think everyone should afford Horne some respect, he'll come good his year next to long and with better defenders around him should be okay in that respect too. Even last year when his form wasn't great he still produced flashes of brilliance like his try at Huddersfield away where he skinned this years man of steel!

As I've said for a while now , Horne's very overrated and don't understand why we've kept him for so long.

His defence is the worry, no doubt at all. It used to be such a strength too. It must be a weight/power thing and it needs addressing.

On a huge chunk of money. 2 more seasons of him as well.

He's always missed lots of tackles. Not down to his diabetes IMO

Got to make it at least ten, i remeber round five last year 100% record, people buying grand final tickets!

since hes come back from his injury and diabetas hes been very poor and he will be the first to admitt that,class is permanent and you dont become a bad player over night,i thought in the derby he showed a few glimses of what he can do by setting up 2 tries,it was only a few years ago he got that try scoring record wasnt it,i personaly believe he will be back to somewhere near his best this year now he has a great player in long with him,ive said all along we never replaced cookie but now we have.

horney should not be written off.

Well said