The thing about penalties and set restarts, and I know I’m biased, but we seem to get pinged for things that other teams get away with?

Catalan were taking an age to clear the ruck but seemed to get away with it apart from just before half-time. I’m sure Mcillorum came flying into a tackle on a grounded player and got away with it. A couple of the penalties for high tackles were not high?

It just seems every little thing we do gets penalised?

Sao in particular seems to have been picked out by refs as somebody who has just got to breathe on a player and he gives away a set restart.

I'd be happy with 2 young players out of Litten, Balmforth and Hookem, I think our team could carry those two and am convinced we wouldn't be any worse off than we are now.

Excellent post

Ben Macs injury really couldn't have come at a worse time for him and the team, it's clear BH rates him and you'd like to think he would be getting selected ahead of Reynolds or Gale.

Cheers Dave

We l see what the next fixture brings in regards to selection. But if Lovoduas not at 6, then the guys lost the plot.

I'd be quite happy if we got rid now, some will saytoo soon, but as u say too many head scratching team selections, its as if he's not learning from mistakes.

Still abit of a holiday camp at hull

Said pretty much the same on the game thread in that there still appears to be little in the way of responsibility or accountability in terms of player performance and all still seems to comfy and cozy for players. Feels like the tail is still wagging to dog and my worry is that BH just doesn't have enough authority over the players or is just too nice a guy.

We need a coach who can improve players, or get the most out of his existing squad, many players come to Hull, look good for the first few games then seem to lose a bit of pace, offloading ability, attitude and general intelligence. If we'd have signed Konrad Hurell for example, do you think he'd be performing at the same level under Hodgson as he is for Woolf?

Agree on the good time bit, was it Peter Sharp (who took us on a 13 game winning run and got us to our first and only grand final) who clamped down on discipline, but the players didn't like it so effectively forced him out? Then it was back to the good times under Agar, Radders and seemingly Hodgson?

No, the players loved Sharp. Hetherington and Rule didn't.

great Coach Peter Sharp and a real disciplinarian who was respected by the players. I think it was Peter Gentle who was driven out by the players and the 'coach elect' I think its fair to say that if that ever comes out what was said that night at Huddersfield after the game it will make for interesting reading.

My bad...wrong Peter!

I'll give my views as an outsider on Brett Hodgson, then feel free to rubbish them.

It appears to me that he is very very good at building a club, putting strong structures in place with the right staff within those structures.

The pathway he has developed at Hull from the scholarship into College, Academy, Reserves, Rising Stars into the first team looks a genuine one and if I were a Hull youngster I would feel I had a real opportunity to advance there and be supported along the way.

Some of you guys will go to more junior Hull games than me but I do go to a fair few and every scholarship, academy and reserve game I have attended I have seen Brett Hodgson. You wouldn't see that with a lot of Super League coaches. He is across everything which has got to be a major positive.

However, I'm not convinced he is a great coach or a particularly good man manager of players from snippets I'm told.

In my opinion you would be in a far better position if Hodgson had come over in a Head of Rugby role and Andy Last had been retained purely to coach your first team with no other responsibilities.

Think thats a fair shout to be honest and have to say I agree about the Head of Rugby role for Hodgson as opposed to Head Coach

R.B.A

On what you've seen from the Hull Academy which players would you consider having the best chance of establishing themselves in the first team in the next year or so?

Thanks.