I think one of the tactics that we struggle with and cause us to give away so many six agains is teams that consistently struggle forward and try to gain ground after the tackle has been completed. The worst culprits are Wigan but Leeds were doing it last night particularly in the first half. It should be something for the refs to sort out but I think it is one of those things some teams have spotted they can get away with. Having said that, terrific defensive performance though not good for the old blood pressure. Agar’s coaching of attacking play no better than when he was at Hull. Leeds fans on their forum questioning just what Sean Long contributes.

I've never seen completion rates in any stats, only comments, usually from coaches.

The NRL stats are incredibly detailed, pity ours aren't the same.

Agreed and I don’t think it’s just Leeds fans wondering what Long has brought to Leeds as they look a very poor side. I was impressed with the minutes Prior did though.

unfortunately Chris there seems to be a lot of older generation supporters on here who just cannot stand any form of criticism
of players or the club even though at times its clearly warranted.
We all care about the club otherwise we wouldnt spend time reading and posting comments on here and we all have favourite players.
We are now in an exciting new era with a Rookie coach who has quickly gained the respect of the players and fans alike and the togetherness,fitness and the will to work their socks off for each other is plain to see.
That said you still have to question Brett Hodgsons bench selection for the last two matches and the continuing indiscipline which seems to have become worse since the opening two games.
The extra defending we have to do as a result drains the energy not only to defend but also to put together any meaningful attack so its imperative that the coach instills into the players the importance of disciplined play.
With Bowden back for Saints i doubt we will see Brown but before the semi draw i said i would rather play Saints as i feel confident of beating them and i think we will beat them also on Friday.

I watch these very closely as its been a bug bear of mine for a while now, and it just seems that we have hands on the ball at times , or we lay on too much in the officials eyes, what I will say is the refs have zero patience with us as a team as when the opposition does it they sometimes get double the time to get out the tackle or hands off the ball than we do. We arnt Angels but we are getting a lot of harsh sets of six again, against us.

I can't remember who posted it, but somebody posted about the officials maybe concentrate on a couple of teams with poor discipline and are a lot more strict with them,this is the only explanation for me that makes any sense with what I'm seeing, this then it creates abit of a vicious circle ............

It would certainly be interesting to see a team to team comparison of the league.

I think we are probably higher up in the giving of 6 agains currently as we have relied heavily on defensive work at times so by law of averages of being with and without the ball in will certainly skew stats one way or the other.

For me I just don't like the rule or the ball steal rule but thats just me.

https://www.superleague.co.uk/stats/club-stats Click on a heading to get it ordered for that selection - Saints, for example, are way ahead for penalties, we're 8th worst. No mention of 6 again.

https://www.superleague.co.uk/stats/club-stats Click on a heading to get it ordered for that selection - Saints, for example, are way ahead for penalties, we're 8th worst. No mention of 6 again.

I think sport in general particularly football and rugby is getting very finicky, in the pursuit of perfection for adhering to the letter of the law , i also find we have more and more officials who are obsessed with applying the letter of the law and don't understand the physicality of the games when the players are simply competing, with no common sense applied to situations. A lot look like they've just been dragged off their boxs and never played the sports they officiate.

Shame ex pros don't get involved who have more experiance in a competitive environment and would be better equipped to officiate.

Still cannot believe Briscoe didn't score here

That would move the concept of biased referees to a new level.

I think Fashy has really improved this term, but the potential, or certainly the expectations of Jack Brown has caught the imagination of the fans, he looks an exciting player. But who knows what’s going on, have Rovers swooped for him

unfortunately bonaire the older generation are allowed there opinion as much as the younger generation of whom some just seem to whinge about anything and everthing , we all see things different, but i agree with you about the bench it does seem strange,

Apparently doesn't exist so we d be fine

Only other option is having somebody in charge of the officials who preaches a common sense approach rather than finicky letter of the law. In fact it'd be something just having somebody in charge of the officials instead of Ganson who's on sick.

Regards the complaints about the bench, we have 3 props missing and Jack Brown not being chosen, there must be internal reasons for this. His agent has offered him to other clubs, he may well have signed for someone? Radford? If that’s the case, should he play? Who else can you pick on the bench? I’m an older supporter and am allowed my view but I don’t regurgitate the same stuff over and over and over and over, think you get what I’m saying. By the way one poster gave a running commentary of all the crap bits of the game but no mention of Connor or Swift or Griffin at centre!! Not second row, or the fantastic defence, or the win for that matter.
Heyho, onwards and upwards. FC are only into round 7 of Super League, joint 3rd, or 5th , depends which way you look at it, oh and a semi final coming up shortly. Brett Hodgson only been here a matter of months and thank God for that. Save your griping for when it’s needed, I say.